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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh please, like people would just disappear and there would just be no way to ever find them again. Hell, I bet the kid wouldn't have return home. Nope. It was totally proper to chase him down and shoot him dead, because hey, it's not like you could have realized the kid has a home or anything.
    People do just disappear, but this young man wasn't going to. He wasn't a fleeing robbery, rapist or violent felon. And his identity was 100% known.

    Usually citing movies is just ridiculed, but it reminds me of the first RAMBO - and the suggestion to just let him go and arrest him in a few days working at a car wash or doing dishes. Defuse the situation the police were rapidly escalating.

    They knew who this kid was. They knew the offense - taking his father's pickup to go get cigarettes. All they had to do was wait for him to go back home. It was that simple.

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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "Refused to stand down"? Yeah, well chosen words. Leaving out "unarmed." "The offense of taking his father's truck." "Stopped and boxed in on grass."

    Please specify "previous trouble with law" as to details. A cop-killler? Murderer? Rapist? What "previous trouble?"
    A 4000 lb vehicle is not unarmed. Especially when that vehicle has already been used as a battering ram. And we don't know what previous record the kid had, we just know he had one.

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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    People do just disappear, but this young man wasn't going to. He wasn't a fleeing robbery, rapist or violent felon. And his identity was 100% known.

    Usually citing movies is just ridiculed, but it reminds me of the first RAMBO - and the suggestion to just let him go and arrest him in a few days working at a car wash or doing dishes. Defuse the situation the police were rapidly escalating.

    They knew who this kid was. They knew the offense - taking his father's pickup to go get cigarettes. All they had to do was wait for him to go back home. It was that simple.
    Once again, all that disappeance talk was regarding a general question about car chases, not at all related to this specific incident.

    And was the kid driving in such a manner as to endanger others when he stole the truck, BEFORE they started chasing him? The story suggests that is the case. That's a good reason not to just wait for him to come home.

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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not the issue here, and you keep ducking from the general to the specific.
    That is exactly the issue here and it is always about specifics, not generalities. That is why I poised the question of then ALL people "endangering" others - meaning any moving violation - should be promptly shot to death on the "general" rules of ending danger to others.

    "My kid who lives here is upset about his girlfriend breaking up with me and took my truck to go get cigarettes" does NOT justify a high speed chase for many reasons. First, it likely will result in the truck being wrecked - which certainly doesn't help the "victim," does it? It is the chase that endangers others, not being in a truck stolen from your dad.

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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    I was mistaken.

    Dash cam (I haven't watched it yet)
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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It's what he ****ing gets for calling the police to "teach his son a lesson".

    Not to mention, of course, what the son ****ing gets for refusing to disable the two-ton weapon when the police order him to.

    Maybe some day, people will ****ing learn.

    edit: Also, from the comments:
    This isn't the Wild West. He isn't a victim, but there was no need to kill him.
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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    This isn't the Wild West. He isn't a victim, but there was no need to kill him.
    Was he or was he not still in control of two-ton truck with which he had previously attacked the police?

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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I was mistaken.

    Dash cam (I haven't watched it yet)
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    What exactly does it show? I couldn't hear sound. At any rate it looks like they could have disabled that vehicle or run it off the road on more than 1 occasion.
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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Was he or was he not still in control of two-ton truck with which he had previously attacked the police?
    I would hardly call a low speed bumper cars "attacking" the police.
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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
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    see that? that is why this 19 year old is not a victim



    Family Of Tyler Comstock, 19, Wants Answers After Youth Shot Dead By Police On Iowa State Campus
    That is not a reason to unload a gun into a person... tasers, stop sticks should be tried first. The could shoot out the tires or fire rounds into the engine block. Shooting the driver is completely unacceptable and the officer (and others that do this crap) should be tried and hopefully found guilty of manslaughter or murder. Not reacting to the cops satisfaction the instant they want it is NOT a valid reason to kill somebody... it is pretty much state sanctioned murder.
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