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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    that was not the point i was arguing.

    if the Constitution of the united states had some pointless provision that says members of congress cannot wear Harlequin colored outfits, does the congress have to follow that provision without question like religious doctrine.
    Theoretically, if such a thing did appear in the Constitution, by law they could not. Since it doesn't, they are free to under the Constitution.


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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    ....but you can still buy a pack of smokes... interesting how the FDA picks and chooses what is unsafe....
    Do not touch my cigarettes. I will exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.


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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Out of curiosity but...where exactly in the Constitution does it allow the government to dictate what people can or cannot eat?
    The same place where it dictates who you can screw, and how you are allowed to do it.

    I think it's a horrible idea, but given the things government already regulates....I don't know, if I could get the NSA off of my phone in exchange for trans fats I'd take it.


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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    that was not the point i was arguing.

    if the Constitution of the united states had some pointless provision that says members of congress cannot wear Harlequin colored outfits, does the congress have to follow that provision without question like religious doctrine.
    This is a ridiculous point because the Constitution was intentionally left vague so that the people would have as much latitude as possible when making decisions in their own life. The Constitution isn't a rule book. It is a book of guidelines and way points that citizens use in order to live in a civilized society. Unfortunately, many politicians of both parties have abused the vagueness of the Constitution as a way to their own means ie mandates on healthcare (which both parties supported at one point or another), etc.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nothing. Its called freedom. They have a right to eat themselve to death. You do not have a right to make them not do so.
    That's right!

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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    So under 'general welfare' they could tell you what to eat, where to live, where to work, if you can procreate, ad infinitum.

    Do you really want to open that door?
    If that were the door that this was opening you'd certainly have a case.

    I think with the ACA, where the government is requiring citizens to buy a particular product, you could make that kind of argument.

    But this is something all together different.

    They're not telling you (the consumer) to eat anything, buy anything, or to live or work anywhere.

    In point of fact that not telling you that you have to do anything.

    They're telling manufacturers that they can't do something.

    It's a lot like telling toy manufacturers that they can't put lead in, or use lead paint on, toys.

    That doesn't require you to run out and buy lead-free toys, and as far as it goes I suppose if you wanted to make your own lead paint and use it to paint your own kids' toys it wouldn't restrict you from doing so.

    Your argument compares apples to oranges, it's the difference between compelling versus restricting.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so if there is somthing in the constitution where it says people have to eat waffles for breakfest on the 2nd day of every odd numbered month, would you follow that provision to the letter?
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    This is a ridiculous point because the Constitution was intentionally left vague so that the people would have as much latitude as possible when making decisions in their own life. The Constitution isn't a rule book. It is a book of guidelines and way points that citizens use in order to live in a civilized society. Unfortunately, many politicians of both parties have abused the vagueness of the Constitution as a way to their own means ie mandates on healthcare (which both parties supported at one point or another), etc.
    You are wrong. The Constitution is very much a rulebook. But its not for you and me, its for our government. Further it is quite specific on what the government may do and more importantly what it may not do. Unfortunately our government has been ignoring the provisions for some time now.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I can't seem to find anything in the Constitution that supports this either.
    There is really no question that trans fats are harmful, and offer no real benefits. This is no different than banning harmful food dyes.

    There is no question that governments, including the federal government, can regulate or ban harmful substances. If the Constitution does not allow the federal government to ban a harmful substance, then that would be a deep flaw in that document.


    what it really is is the result of government mandated health care control and the soft drink experiment in NYC.
    It has nothing to do with either of those things. Federal food regulations date back to Teddy Roosevelt; federal attempts to regulate pasteurization date back to the 30s.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    There is no question that governments, including the federal government, can regulate or ban harmful substances. If the Constitution does not allow the federal government to ban a harmful substance, then that would be a deep flaw in that document.
    I guess that explains why there is no constitutional authority for the federal government to do anything like this.

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