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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    It's not a short bit of homework, but the GRAS list is available online, as is msds information and other details about each item on that list. (I first found out about GRAS after working at a McDonald's in my youth and trying to sort out myths from realities of their food).

    And yes, if it's on the GRAS list, even of the material is produced as a byproduct of industry, it can be added to food in small quantities.... Typically labelled as "preservatives".

    Arsenic is not on the grad list, you are right.
    Yes, GRAS items are allowed. To be clear, I was talking about unsafe additives. While some level of contaminants are allowed (insect parts, rat hair, etc), you can't add anything that is considered to be unsafe.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, GRAS items are allowed. To be clear, I was talking about unsafe additives. While some level of contaminants are allowed (insect parts, rat hair, etc), you can't add anything that is considered to be unsafe.
    Not going to repeat this again, because I'm not doing your homework on this one, and it is a long one.

    Go through all the items on that gras list and you will be shocked at what people considered "safe" in the 50's.

    Again; at that time doctors would recommend cigarettes for things like sore throat.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not going to repeat this again, because I'm not doing your homework on this one, and it is a long one.

    Go through all the items on that gras list and you will be shocked at what people considered "safe" in the 50's.

    Again; at that time doctors would recommend cigarettes for things like sore throat.
    I have no idea why you're getting hostile, or what your point is. We're talking about trans fats and taking them off of the GRAS list which would mean that producers would not be able to add it to their products.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    How long until government healthcare has the power to dictate what exactly we eat to control longterm healthcare costs?

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I have no idea why you're getting hostile, or what your point is. We're talking about trans fats and taking them off of the GRAS list which would mean that producers would not be able to add it to their products.
    This is not hostility, I spent alot of hours looking through that list and what the chemicals, and yea I agree with you, but when deuce talks about allowing small amounts of arsenic that would only have a negative effect after a while...

    If we are talking about virtually all processed food; then what IS allowed would fall into this type of category, and Really does fall into this type of category.

    I am annoyed because the "safe" list is more like a list that follows that definition that deuce suggested as a justification for FDA food bans.

    also, I am short because I'm not going through that list again, it was tedious, and alot on that list ACTUALLY IS pretty inert.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How long until government healthcare has the power to dictate what exactly we eat to control longterm healthcare costs?
    You got it... The answer, as soon as people will accept it.

    Remember, your bad health decisions now represents a cost to EVERYONE, so if taxing those choices don't work, then someone's going to have to step in and control our collective diets.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    This is not hostility, I spent alot of hours looking through that list and what the chemicals, and yea I agree with you, but when deuce talks about allowing small amounts of arsenic that would only have a negative effect after a while...

    If we are talking about virtually all processed food; then what IS allowed would fall into this type of category, and Really does fall into this type of category.

    I am annoyed because the "safe" list is more like a list that follows that definition that deuce suggested as a justification for FDA food bans.

    also, I am short because I'm not going through that list again, it was tedious, and alot on that list ACTUALLY IS pretty inert.
    I didn't say you had to go through the list the first time, never mind again

    But the fact that some things are allowed that we may not want to have added to our food doesn't mean that we shouldn't ban the addition of trans fats. I'm all for banning all those other harmful additives too but in the meantime, trans fats don't belong in our food, IMO
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    My opinion is that they shouldn't be able to misrepresent industrial waste products as food. There oughta be a law.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Out of curiosity but...where exactly in the Constitution does it allow the government to dictate what people can or cannot eat?
    It doesn't list poisons and Agent Orange either - do you want to make them readily available also?
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Out of curiosity but...where exactly in the Constitution does it allow the government to dictate what people can or cannot eat?
    "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

    That's from Article 6 of the US Constitution, which does allow the Federal government to pass whatever laws it feels appropriate. Without that provision, people would still be killing people with snake oil remedies. Transfat is just another kind of snake oil.
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