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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Of course, the government regulates what can be called organic food, doesn't it?
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Of course, the government regulates what can be called organic food, doesn't it?
    You missed the point before and now you are running with the missed point...

    Food safety and dictating which foods can be eaten because of the healthfulness of the food is two different concepts.

    There are multiple groups that certify food as organic, the FDA being one of the more widely recognized in the us.

    However, I can take organic foods and make the biggest, fattiest, most sloppy bacon cheeseburger and fries smothered with gravy...

    Now; stop trying to confuse food safety policies with enforcing healthy food choices. Two completely different concepts: and if you carry on you will be called on your dishonesty now that we are clear on the distinction.

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    FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You missed the point before and now you are running with the missed point...

    Food safety and dictating which foods can be eaten because of the healthfulness of the food is two different concepts.

    There are multiple groups that certify food as organic, the FDA being one of the more widely recognized in the us.

    However, I can take organic foods and make the biggest, fattiest, most sloppy bacon cheeseburger and fries smothered with gravy...

    Now; stop trying to confuse food safety policies with enforcing healthy food choices. Two completely different concepts: and if you carry on you will be called on your dishonesty now that we are clear on the distinction.
    Ok.
    I'll submit to you I missed the point because you didn't clearly elucidate it.

    So to clarify- you think trans fats should be allowed to be in food?

    And why is an unsafe, manufactured ingredient leading to a clear worsening of heart disease any different from the addition of, say, melamine to a food which causes kidney failure?
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Ok.
    I'll submit to you I missed the point because you didn't clearly elucidate it.
    No worries.

    So to clarify- you think trans fats should be allowed to be in food?
    Well, short answer, yes...

    More because of the tricks that get played to hide trans fats in foods.

    Ex; a popular brand of trans-fat free chips has adjusted serving sizes so that it can be marked as 0g of trans fats when each serving is at 0.4g (with 6 servings per bag)

    And why is an unsafe, manufactured ingredient leading to a clear worsening of heart disease any different from the addition of, say, melamine to a food which causes kidney failure?
    Ok, the furthest I would go would be to ban adding trans-fats that are not naturally occurring or a product of the method of preparation.

    Beyond that the difference is that melamine is a completely artificial ingredient (a type of plastic if im not mistaken), and there really is no justifiable reason for it to be there in the first place....

    We could then have a discussion about how ineffective the FDA is at PREVENTING issues. They really are about just as corrupt now as most other standards organizations.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You missed the point before and now you are running with the missed point...

    Food safety and dictating which foods can be eaten because of the healthfulness of the food is two different concepts.

    There are multiple groups that certify food as organic, the FDA being one of the more widely recognized in the us.

    However, I can take organic foods and make the biggest, fattiest, most sloppy bacon cheeseburger and fries smothered with gravy...

    Now; stop trying to confuse food safety policies with enforcing healthy food choices. Two completely different concepts: and if you carry on you will be called on your dishonesty now that we are clear on the distinction.
    Exactly what distinction do you make between unhealthy food and unsafe food?
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No worries.



    Well, short answer, yes...

    More because of the tricks that get played to hide trans fats in foods.

    Ex; a popular brand of trans-fat free chips has adjusted serving sizes so that it can be marked as 0g of trans fats when each serving is at 0.4g (with 6 servings per bag)



    Ok, the furthest I would go would be to ban adding trans-fats that are not naturally occurring or a product of the method of preparation.

    Beyond that the difference is that melamine is a completely artificial ingredient (a type of plastic if im not mistaken), and there really is no justifiable reason for it to be there in the first place....

    We could then have a discussion about how ineffective the FDA is at PREVENTING issues. They really are about just as corrupt now as most other standards organizations.
    I see the confusion.

    Trans fats ARE artificial (ok, there are trace amounts in some meats, but no one is going to regulate those), and are specifically made to improve shelf life and stability in foods.

    And the FDA is pretty effective at preventing issues. Their ban on trans fats will prevent a lot of heart disease....
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Exactly what distinction do you make between unhealthy food and unsafe food?
    A cake is unhealthy; a cake dosed with arsenic (as example) is unsafe.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I see the confusion.

    Trans fats ARE artificial (ok, there are trace amounts in some meats, but no one is going to regulate those), and are specifically made to improve shelf life and stability in foods.

    And the FDA is pretty effective at preventing issues. Their ban on trans fats will prevent a lot of heart disease....
    It's a bit more complex then that; and as I already pointed out, companies following FDA rules can adjust nutritional information to conceal trans fats (and other undesirable traits) allows them to simultaneously follow a ban under the rules without actually eliminating it.

    Of course you guys are the more trusting types... So I won't carry on and risk spoiling that delusion for you.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    It's a bit more complex then that; and as I already pointed out, companies following FDA rules can adjust nutritional information to conceal trans fats (and other undesirable traits) allows them to simultaneously follow a ban under the rules without actually eliminating it.

    Of course you guys are the more trusting types... So I won't carry on and risk spoiling that delusion for you.
    No. It's really not more complex. The FDA will ban artificially produced trans fats. Not labeling, but a total ban. The labeling issue alone has cut use of trans fats by 80%+
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. It's really not more complex. The FDA will ban artificially produced trans fats. Not labeling, but a total ban. The labeling issue alone has cut use of trans fats by 80%+
    For the sake of simplicity and this specific thread; if we are talking about artificial trans fats being added to foods then yes, there really is no safe limit, so best to be rid.

    To support a ban I would have to see that the wording would not simultaneously ban burgers because there are some natural (re: good) trans fats in them, but in principle, I agree for the artificially created stuff.

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