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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Since I mentioned two clauses, one of which you and your Wikipedia reference both ignore, I'm going to refer you back to my prior comments where, hopefully, you will learn something.

    Or you can continue to stamp your feet. Makes me no nevermind.
    What was the other clause?

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually they were thinking about wars of aggression. They had JUST gotten out of a revolutionary war after all. They also knew that they were weak and could have been invaded by another country. Indeed that is exactly WHY the states made a pact with each other and formed the federal government instead of just forming their own little countries.
    If you're going to selectively pick and choose words in my comments to respond to rather than reading and responding to the whole post I'm done with you dude.

    I said aggressive wars in the Middle east.

    You're talking about their intent being defense from invasion.

    Do you see how your response is complete nonsense in relation to my comment?

    Do you?

    And if your argument is that common defense is the only, or even the primary, reason the States scrapped the Articles of Confederation and went back to the drawing board (as saying, "Indeed that is exactly WHY the states made a pact with each...", would imply) I'd suggest that you hit the local community college for a rudimentary Us History 101 course before you run around here telling anyone that they need to learn anything.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Since I mentioned two clauses, one of which you and your Wikipedia reference both ignore, I'm going to refer you back to my prior comments where, hopefully, you will learn something.

    Or you can continue to stamp your feet. Makes me no nevermind.
    No actually you only mentioned one clause. From your first post directed at my question of where in the constitution the government has this power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    General welfare dude.

    Trans fats add nothing good to food and they detract from the general welfare.

    Too bad, but it's Constitutional.
    See? That is what I have been talking about and that is what my wiki reference talks about. Would you like to try again?
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I guess we disagree profoundly then.
    For instance, the 2nd amendment is a great place to look:
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
    Some interpret this as all citizens may bear arms as long as they are a member of a "militia" ie National Guard.
    Some interpret this as all citizens may bear arms.
    Some interpret this as all citizens may bear arms in the event of national defense.

    If I asked 100 members of DP which interpretation they agreed with, it would probably break down to 30/30/30 with another 10 voting "other". That doesn't seem to be a rule book to me. In addition, it depends on which Supreme Court you have as to which way they interpret it. I believe the Founders intended for us to be able to interpret the Constitution to a point. However, there is a limit and I don't believe they anticipated our gov't becoming as large and out of control as it is. Back then, the will of the people outweighed the will of the gov't. That's not the case anymore. If the Federal gov't wants to do something, most of the lemmings in this country bend over and take it. At least some of us still fight it.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What was the other clause?
    Go read my comments and get yourself up to speed on the conversation.

    I have no problem discussing this with you or anyone, but I'm not going to repeat myself every other page.

    I wouldn't ask you to do that.

    Thanks.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's no more of a "poison" than any other form of fat, sodium, all forms of sugar, cholesterol, etc.
    Fats, sodium, cholesterol, from what I understand, are essential to human health. In a healthy diet, they are all present in discernible quantities.
    Human engineered trans fat, aside from trace amounts that occur naturally, are not. And they have a well documented negative heath impact.

    Do you really want to use the "everything is a poison" argument? It results in the inability of you (using that reasoning), to differentiate between ingesting mercury frosting from smart balance frosting.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No actually you only mentioned one clause. From your first post directed at my question of where in the constitution the government has this power.....



    See? That is what I have been talking about and that is what my wiki reference talks about. Would you like to try again?
    Actually, you've responded already to the post in which I mentioned two clauses so it's clear that you read what I wrote.

    You go ahead and try again.
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    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually they were thinking about wars of aggression. They had JUST gotten out of a revolutionary war after all. They also knew that they were weak and could have been invaded by another country. Indeed that is exactly WHY the states made a pact with each other and formed the federal government instead of just forming their own little countries.[/

    If you're going to selectively pick and choose words in my comments to respond to rather than reading and responding to the whole post I'm done with you dude.

    I said aggressive wars in the Middle east.

    You're talking about their intent being defense from invasion.

    Do you see how your response is complete nonsense in relation to my comment?

    Do you?

    And if your argument is that common defense is the only, or even the primary, reason the States scrapped the Articles of Confederation and went back to the drawing board (as saying, "Indeed that is exactly WHY the states made a pact with each...", would imply) I'd suggest that you hit the local community college for a rudimentary Us History 101 course before you run around here telling anyone that they need to learn anything.
    If you were not talking about defense from invasion by foreign countries then what the hell was your post about? I figured you had just used the wars in the ME as an analogy. If not then...???? Seems awefully off topic to me otherwise.

    And I never said that is the ONLY reason that they made this country. But it certainly was ONE of the MAIN reasons.
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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about tiny doses of arsenic? Small enough to cause no immediate effect but does cause long term problems?
    We should let random consumers determine the acceptable safe dose of arsenic, right?
    Arsenic is not a naturally occuring substance within food. Trans fat is. Yes, much of the transfat in various food is artificially created...but it's artificial creation of a naturally occuring nutrional substance of food. Fat is a necessary portion of a nutrional diet, Arsenic is not. Comparing a fat to arsenic is non-sensical and is a poor and pathetic debate technique attempting to take an argument to an extreme and starwmanning peoples points to suggest that they MUST agree with the extreme end.

    Trans Fat is more comparable to any other form of fat, to sodium, to various sugars, to cholesterol....than it is to arsenic.

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    Re: FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Actually, you've responded already to the post in which I mentioned two clauses so it's clear that you read what I wrote.

    You go ahead and try again.
    Perhaps you can clarify for me. To which post are you refering to?
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