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Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

It would be kinda hard to do that when they actually called corporate and got okayed by corporate to allow the people to continue to make the purchases. I believe most of the managers must have simply followed protocol without bothering to call. Either that or they got hold of different people. It is kind of strange that only 2 stores would call and get told to ignore protocol when dealing with such issues, and then the stores simply say "well we felt that was best", eventhough most other stores had to have operated with a limit or something.

I did not see that they had called corp. so, then let me rephrase that.... Was someone in the WalMart chain hel accountable?
I cannot believe that the BOD would allow a loss of that magnatude to go unanswered.
 
I don't understand the rationale, but Walmart corporate was "monitoring":

Kayla Whaling, a spokesperson for Walmart, tells KSLA News 12 that the company was "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards (and purchases on WIC and SNAP) during the outage so that they could get food for their families."

Asked whether Walmart would be taking the loss on any food purchased on the cards that did not show limits, or on the perishable food left behind in carts, Whaling would only say that "we monitored transactions during the outage."

Walmart shelves in Springhill, Mansfield, cleared in EBT glitch - KSLA News 12 Shreveport, Louisiana News Weather & Sports
 
You are trying to argue it both ways. It is pretty simple. The SS system has been running deficits since 2010 forcing them to cash out these bonds to pay benefits. It is not expected to buy any more net bonds and will be out of bonds to cash out in 2033, at which point it will add many pennies to our debt. The interest paid on T-bills to the SS is "our debt" so you are wrong on that part.

That interest is paid to the American workers and the Ireasury would sell to others if SS hadn't bought them. If the trust fund runs out, benefits will be cut to match revenue, that is the law. That is unlikely to happen though we will fix the shortfall before then. SS will remain forever, like Medicare and now the ACA. They are part of our rights as Americans and the only way they will fail is if the US falls. You can't be looking forward to that can you?
 
That's a fact of life - sometimes you get to some place and find it's not open. *shrug* Oh well. "Sorry for the inconvenience."

Still - not going to die.

you ignore the magnitude of the difficulty imposed upon those of little means with no personal transportation, when unable to make the purchases they needed
because you can get in your car and drive there the next day does not mean it is quite so easy a problem to resolve for those of the lowest economic strata
 
what money did the government lose as a result of this run on the grocery stores?

One way, or another soneone has to pay for. They either ripped off the government, or the retailer. Either way you slice it, it's stealing.
 
One way, or another soneone has to pay for. They either ripped off the government, or the retailer. Either way you slice it, it's stealing.

yep. someone will. wal mart. for failing to follow the protocol agreed to when authorized to accept SNAP benefits
notice how it is NOT the government which will incur the loss
which makes your statement ... wait for it: WRONG
 
I don't understand the rationale, but Walmart corporate was "monitoring":

Kayla Whaling, a spokesperson for Walmart, tells KSLA News 12 that the company was "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards (and purchases on WIC and SNAP) during the outage so that they could get food for their families."

Asked whether Walmart would be taking the loss on any food purchased on the cards that did not show limits, or on the perishable food left behind in carts, Whaling would only say that "we monitored transactions during the outage."

Walmart shelves in Springhill, Mansfield, cleared in EBT glitch - KSLA News 12 Shreveport, Louisiana News Weather & Sports

Thank you Ma'am!
 
you ignore the magnitude of the difficulty imposed upon those of little means with no personal transportation, when unable to make the purchases they needed
because you can get in your car and drive there the next day does not mean it is quite so easy a problem to resolve for those of the lowest economic strata

Seriously? Who gives a damn. What do you want to come from this discussion? Yes - the system didn't work right. Yes - it was an inconvenience. :shrug: What more do you want to hear? No - no one died or would have died.

The whole system relies on technology. Technology that is interwoven with other technologies and we expect it to work right 100% of the time, but it doesn't.

Sorry
It just doesn't.
It does not work all the time.
There is nothing we can do or say to change that.
Accept it and move on.
End of story.

Life is full of that - you expect something to work, and it doesn't.

If that manages to KILL SOMEONE - then they've got a lot more serious issues than their crappy transportation issue.
 
Seriously? Who gives a damn. What do you want to come from this discussion? Yes - the system didn't work right. Yes - it was an inconvenience. :shrug: What more do you want to hear? No - no one died or would have died.

The whole system relies on technology. Technology that is interwoven with other technologies and we expect it to work right 100% of the time, but it doesn't.

Sorry
It just doesn't.
It does not work all the time.
There is nothing we can do or say to change that.
Accept it and move on.
End of story.

Life is full of that - you expect something to work, and it doesn't.

If that manages to KILL SOMEONE - then they've got a lot more serious issues than their crappy transportation issue.

ok, you dont give a ****
which causes one to wonder why did you even choose to post
to let us know it was no big deal for you
alright. good to hear
my suspicion is you are also not a food stamp recipient
go deal with your first world problems while we discuss something of importance to the underclass - taking away the food stamps of many who did nothing wrong
 
ok, you dont give a ****
which causes one to wonder why did you even choose to post
to let us know it was no big deal for you
alright. good to hear
my suspicion is you are also not a food stamp recipient
go deal with your first world problems while we discuss something of importance to the underclass - taking away the food stamps of many who did nothing wrong

You're pretending like WALMART is the only place - in any town - that takes WIC, Foodstamps (etc etc etc).

It's NOT.

I WAS a food stamp recipient and I didn't even have a freaking car - I know that ONE STORE isn't the only OPTION. GAH! No one starves to death because Walmart's ****ing system goes the **** down.

I suppose, now, you're going to argue that the thieves who abused the system shouldn't get their food stamps taken away.
 
ok, you dont give a ****
which causes one to wonder why did you even choose to post
to let us know it was no big deal for you
alright. good to hear
my suspicion is you are also not a food stamp recipient
go deal with your first world problems while we discuss something of importance to the underclass - taking away the food stamps of many who did nothing wrong

From the original article:

Under Jindal’s new directive, recipients will lose benefits for one year, two years or permanently, depending on how many prior violations they have on their record.

The Jindal administration will start with the worst cases first, according to Suzy Sonnier, secretary of the state Department of Children and Family Services.

“We must protect the program for those who receive and use their benefits appropriately according to the law,” Sonnier said in a prepared statement, according to The Advocate “We are looking at each case individually, addressing those recipients who are suspected of misrepresenting their eligibility for benefits or defrauding the system.”
 
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/11...ose-benefits-over-wal-mart-free-for-all-86692

As someone who collects food stamps-- and needs them to survive-- this absolutely sickens me and I think it's a goddamned shame that criminal charges are not being pursued.

being former military and having seen such things occur before in govt payroll and benefits,i agree action should be taken,if not criminal action,then all money being paid back.

in the military lets say an e-1 makes 1500 a month for theoretical purposes.one month he receives 150000 instead of 1500.he then spends all of it like its his.in the military which is a govt agency,they would either imprison him,or force him to pay the vast bulk of his remaining checks,even extending his contract to ensure he pays it back,or even both.in that scenario of overpayment,he was required to report such a gross error.had it been just 100 bucks or so,the govt would have blamed it on itself and charged the soldier slowly,but in such a gross miscalculation,the soldier knew better.


in the case of food stamps,people knew better,it was not a slight overpayment that could be mistaken,it was a no limit,in which every person should have and did know,and knowingly abused.
 
you ignore the magnitude of the difficulty imposed upon those of little means with no personal transportation, when unable to make the purchases they needed
because you can get in your car and drive there the next day does not mean it is quite so easy a problem to resolve for those of the lowest economic strata

or at some level people need to manage their own affairs and recognize dependence on such programs comes with a price usually built on convenience, or lack there of
 
So... you're thinking they were angling for the government to cover them on sales they knew were fraudulent, too? I can see it.

Oh my! I can't believe you are suggesting that a company was trying to defraud the government out of millions of dollars and a few poor people were defrauding the government of hundreds of dollars in steak dinners.

This sounds kind of familiar. Throw the poor criminals in jail and throw away the key. Ask the rich guy for large campaign donations.
 
You're pretending like WALMART is the only place - in any town - that takes WIC, Foodstamps (etc etc etc).

It's NOT.

I WAS a food stamp recipient and I didn't even have a freaking car - I know that ONE STORE isn't the only OPTION. GAH! No one starves to death because Walmart's ****ing system goes the **** down.

I suppose, now, you're going to argue that the thieves who abused the system shouldn't get their food stamps taken away.

Those who took advantage should be punished; I agree. But Walmart corporate instructed its employees to let it happen, and if the corporation is going to write off the losses, then what's to be done...and who's going to do it?

BTW, I don't know whether you've ever been to Mansfield, Louisiana, but it's very, very small, and my bet is that Walmart is the only big-box store in town.
 
ok, you dont give a ****
which causes one to wonder why did you even choose to post
to let us know it was no big deal for you
alright. good to hear
my suspicion is you are also not a food stamp recipient
go deal with your first world problems while we discuss something of importance to the underclass - taking away the food stamps of many who did nothing wrong

the outage was for 2 hours ... Seems you're making an emotional appeal that has little to do with the subject and solely deals with trying to throw a pity party to aid your defense of the unrelated matter of people trying to openly exploit the EBT system.
 
Stopping sales entirely while the system is down means people like me can't eat.

I have fasted for 4 days. I didn't die. I even think I could have went a few more days but I was getting hungry. I'm sure you could have waited a few hours for the system to come back up. Am I wrong?
 
$27.50 over the limit?

$43.12?

$44.18?

$60.04?

$98.30?

$99.99?

$100.00?

:D

Yes. There is a magic number that differentiates between petty larceny and grand theft. I bet many of these transactions were on the high side of petty larceny.

Some sub-cultures are very aware of the law in important matters like this.
 
I've never seen a food stamp, let alone used one, in my life.

I actually have no idea how much food stamps are issued but if it's only $36 a month, then I think that's disgraceful and I can't understand why anybody bitches about it. I think the amount involved is higher - considerably higher - and I do feel there should be a margin of error allowance. Deuce backed me into a corner so I chose $99.99 but maybe it would be fairer to use a percentage, particularly if your $36 figure is correct.

When a beggar asks me for money, I don't throw them a penny. I give then at least $1. So, I hope someone can clear up this food stamp amount issue.

I used to get $417 a month with a family of four. Maybe Canada is different.
 
I do hope it translates into strip until the balance is back to equal. Loss of food stamps until the account is back to zero would be fine. It's hard to consider criminal charges for stupidity, because there's no law against it.

If there were, I'd certainly be in jail.
 
You're pretending like WALMART is the only place - in any town - that takes WIC, Foodstamps (etc etc etc).

It's NOT.

I WAS a food stamp recipient and I didn't even have a freaking car - I know that ONE STORE isn't the only OPTION. GAH! No one starves to death because Walmart's ****ing system goes the **** down.

I suppose, now, you're going to argue that the thieves who abused the system shouldn't get their food stamps taken away.
two wal mart locations were the ones who deviated from the $50 protocol, but then why would i expect you to have read the initial cite

no, the thieves who abused the system should be punished. but in a court of law. by the party which was defrauded. hint: it was not the government! they should not lose their legal benefits arbitrarily by jindal's actions. within the court, a determination can be found who intended to buy more than they had funds to cover, and who over-bought only because the system was unable to tell them how much money remained in their SNAP account

unlike many of you, i do not subscribe to the routine of "ready, fire, aim"
 
two wal mart locations were the ones who deviated from the $50 protocol, but then why would i expect you to have read the initial cite

no, the thieves who abused the system should be punished. but in a court of law. by the party which was defrauded. hint: it was not the government! they should not lose their legal benefits arbitrarily by jindal's actions. within the court, a determination can be found who intended to buy more than they had funds to cover, and who over-bought only because the system was unable to tell them how much money remained in their SNAP account

unlike many of you, i do not subscribe to the routine of "ready, fire, aim"

Well, sorry, but SNAP regulations allow for such administrative sanctions. Live by the government bureau, die by the government bureau! As much as recipients of government handouts might talk about it being "their money", it's not their money. They have no right to claim ownership of it just like recipients of Social Security have no right to claim ownership of those payments. They are payments you receive if and only if the government in its magnanimous generosity deigns to provide you with such.

All in all, it's just better to f*** off from the government and get by on your own if it's even remotely possible.
 
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