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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Even when a bankrobber gets caught with the bag of bills, he still gets charged with bankrobbery.

    Did all these people return the goods they knowingly fraudulently "bought"?
    Who got stolen from?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    What would be the penalty for shoplifting something worth $25 - is it less than shoplifting something worth $99?

    What would be the penalty for using a fake credit card to purchase something worth $25 - is it less than using a fake credit card to purchase something worth $99?

    What would be the penalty for kiting a check for $25 - is it less than kiting a check for $99?

    The point being, the crime is not the value of the haul, the crime is simply the act of making the haul itself.
    No, there is a point where it can be assumed to be inadvertent. People may not know their exact balances. So, this is different than deliberate fraud and we're trying to find a viable number for when it would be obvious that the INTENT was to steal.

    I gave a bank related example earlier. Lets say they accidentally put an extra thousand in your account. Your check comes in and would have been a small over-draft. You would be forgiven.

    Better 100 guilty go free than one innocent be punished. That's something I believe with my heart.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The thought that the largest retailer in the world with over $1 trillion in sales each year was trying to generate additional food stamp sales is just ludicrous, in my view. Who had more to gain - the retailer - or the "customer" who probably was pissed they'd missed the Katrina looting and wanted in on this?
    Then why did the largest food retailer in the world that oppresses the masses remove the safeguards that would have prevented this from happening?

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    No, there is a point where it can be assumed to be inadvertent. People may not know their exact balances. So, this is different than deliberate fraud and we're trying to find a viable number for when it would be obvious that the INTENT was to steal.

    I gave a bank related example earlier. Lets say they accidentally put an extra thousand in your account. Your check comes in and would have been a small over-draft. You would be forgiven.

    Better 100 guilty go free than one innocent be punished. That's something I believe with my heart.
    I appreciate your view, but let me put it this way - how much does the average person get in food stamps monthly? I believe in another thread, it was indicated that $36 per person per month is about the average - assuming that, if you have a big family, let's go to the extreme and say 10 people, you'd have about $360. Now, this problem happened in the first week of the month, if I'm not mistaken, so most people on food stamps would not legitimately be spending their entire allotment in the first week of the month because lots of foods don't last and most people on food stamps don't have multiple refrigerators and deep freezers - at least I assume they don't. So, for me, I would presume that most people shopping responsibly would not go over their monthly limit in the first few days of the month - is that unreasonable to assume?

    So who would be the people who went over their allotment? To me, it would be pretty easy to identify those who visited the store twice, three times, four times, etc. during this "event" and who racked up sales well in excess of what they knew was their monthly limit. Common sense would tell me that someone who's on food stamps may not be the best mathemetician so going a couple of dollars over your allocation could happen and would be excusable if you only made one trip to the store. But common sense also tells me that this was not the case this day - this was a feeding frenzie of fraud and it's right for the Governor to make a lesson of this for those who may run into the situation again in the future.
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Then why did the largest food retailer in the world that oppresses the masses remove the safeguards that would have prevented this from happening?
    Perhaps because the largest food retailer in the world who you and others falsely accused of "oppressing the masses" and other atrocities made a corporate decision that it was better not to deny welfare and food stamp moms their grocery purchases because the false accusers would run right out and claim they were keeping food from the mouths of the poor. Sometimes, through no fault of their own, big business is between a rock and a hard place and they just suck it up and move on.
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps because the largest food retailer in the world who you and others falsely accused of "oppressing the masses" and other atrocities made a corporate decision that it was better not to deny welfare and food stamp moms their grocery purchases because the false accusers would run right out and claim they were keeping food from the mouths of the poor. Sometimes, through no fault of their own, big business is between a rock and a hard place and they just suck it up and move on.
    Well, I can tell you that Walmart has a zero tolerance policy for shoplifting so I doubt that was it.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Who got stolen from?
    The retailers.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate your view, but let me put it this way - how much does the average person get in food stamps monthly? I believe in another thread, it was indicated that $36 per person per month is about the average - assuming that, if you have a big family, let's go to the extreme and say 10 people, you'd have about $360. Now, this problem happened in the first week of the month, if I'm not mistaken, so most people on food stamps would not legitimately be spending their entire allotment in the first week of the month because lots of foods don't last and most people on food stamps don't have multiple refrigerators and deep freezers - at least I assume they don't. So, for me, I would presume that most people shopping responsibly would not go over their monthly limit in the first few days of the month - is that unreasonable to assume?

    So who would be the people who went over their allotment? To me, it would be pretty easy to identify those who visited the store twice, three times, four times, etc. during this "event" and who racked up sales well in excess of what they knew was their monthly limit. Common sense would tell me that someone who's on food stamps may not be the best mathemetician so going a couple of dollars over your allocation could happen and would be excusable if you only made one trip to the store. But common sense also tells me that this was not the case this day - this was a feeding frenzie of fraud and it's right for the Governor to make a lesson of this for those who may run into the situation again in the future.
    I've never seen a food stamp, let alone used one, in my life.

    I actually have no idea how much food stamps are issued but if it's only $36 a month, then I think that's disgraceful and I can't understand why anybody bitches about it. I think the amount involved is higher - considerably higher - and I do feel there should be a margin of error allowance. Deuce backed me into a corner so I chose $99.99 but maybe it would be fairer to use a percentage, particularly if your $36 figure is correct.

    When a beggar asks me for money, I don't throw them a penny. I give then at least $1. So, I hope someone can clear up this food stamp amount issue.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I've never seen a food stamp, let alone used one, in my life.

    I actually have no idea how much food stamps are issued but if it's only $36 a month, then I think that's disgraceful and I can't understand why anybody bitches about it. I think the amount involved is higher - considerably higher - and I do feel there should be a margin of error allowance. Deuce backed me into a corner so I chose $99.99 but maybe it would be fairer to use a percentage, particularly if your $36 figure is correct.

    When a beggar asks me for money, I don't throw them a penny. I give then at least $1. So, I hope someone can clear up this food stamp amount issue.
    I'm with you on the reasonableness of the figure - I was only trying to indicate that for me it seems very easy to figure out who was trying to abuse the system.

    As for beggars, we have quite an industry in that regard here - some actually drive in to their favorite "begging" spots and then drive home to their condo at the end of a hard day's work.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Louisiana food stamp abusers will lose benefits over Wal-mart free for all - BizPac Review

    As someone who collects food stamps-- and needs them to survive-- this absolutely sickens me and I think it's a goddamned shame that criminal charges are not being pursued.
    I do hope it translates into strip until the balance is back to equal. Loss of food stamps until the account is back to zero would be fine. It's hard to consider criminal charges for stupidity, because there's no law against it.

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