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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Some people collect social security that never paid into it
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    True, but most of these people are the children or wives of primary Social Security recipients

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Many stores simply didn't accept EBT or put limits on it, even other walmarts: read the news and inform yourself
    I find it odd that you excuse outright theft by the "buyers"

    People used to think crime was a bad thing.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I appreciate the effort, but I don't quite get it.
    The $3.35 someone made in 1985 who retires the week before the MW increase would get a different payment amount than the week after the increase. To save SS, there would need to be multiple things if one includes Medicare as part of SS. You would need something like a 1% withholding increase (preferable on the employer side only) to close the accounting gap in current payments on the 75 year horizon they use. There are other issues such as medicare funding, the acceleration of SSI beneficiaries, the upward distribution of income over the withholding ceiling, the increasing medical costs, and the diminution of benefits that has been used to disguise the problems when there is political will to save SS but no will to raise taxes. Personally, I would like to see the ceiling raised to $150K, go back to the dollar earned is a dollar lost system, the imposition of a direct FICA tax on investment income beyond just the normal income tax system to help reduce the sliding purchasing power of SS benefits, are all preferable solutions.

    Nonetheless, we are way off thread topic at this point IIRC.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    All you are doing is proving your lack of understanding. There is a $2.5 trillion surplus held in T bills that SS will use when needed. SS is just like any other creditor of the US Govt. and simply redeem T-bills when the need arises. The idea the SS is somehow different from any other creditor is false as is the idea that SS money EVER has added one penny to our debt.
    You are trying to argue it both ways. It is pretty simple. The SS system has been running deficits since 2010 forcing them to cash out these bonds to pay benefits. It is not expected to buy any more net bonds and will be out of bonds to cash out in 2033, at which point it will add many pennies to our debt. The interest paid on T-bills to the SS is "our debt" so you are wrong on that part.

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean SS has now relied on some of its $2.5 Trillion surplus. There will Never be a deficit since it is illegal for SS to draw from general funds.
    CBO: Social Security to run Permanent Deficit Starting in 2011.

    FactCheck.Org: Democrats Deny Social Security's Red Ink

    Social Security Administration: We Are Taking Money From the General Fund, and We Can Borrow Money From the General Fund if We Have To

    It amazes me how ill informed some can be..
    no kidding

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Well, I've tried to give this some thought. Im not at all anti-welfare and if anything is troubling me, it's the apparent increase in people that are not doing well.

    The topic appears to be that the people who egregiously and knowingly and deliberately took advantage of a technical flaw. I'm sure many people did NOT do that. It's similar to those cases where a bank inadvertently deposits funds in your account that are obviously above reasonable expectation. If you go over a few dollars, that might be normal but if you quickly withdraw substantial excess, you will be charged with a crime. Just because I lost my wallet doesn't entitle you to take the contents.

    So, these people (presumably) stole - and they shouldn't reap rewards for their conduct. Hopefully, they bought necessities and the children will be able to eat canned chili.

    When married men commit a crime, we don't let them off because they have a family. Should we?
    excellent point
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I find it odd that you excuse outright theft by the "buyers"
    Well, considering that I never did such a thing and have actively called for these individuals to be punished since the original story was posted here, that is hardly surprising. Being that it underlines a basic issue with your reading and reasoning skills likely dependent on ideological rigidness

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think WalMart clearly attempted to defraud an assistance program but nobody seems to be demanding the managers there be put in jail.
    this is the correct response
    the government suffered no loss for the unauthorized purchases
    then the government should not try to 'solve' a problem it did not create
    had the retailers followed protocol, the SNAP recipients could not have purchased more than $50
    so, let the retailers deal with the fraud perpetrated against them. let them sue the food stamp recipients who defrauded them out of food exceeding what was actually available on their cards
    jindal is just grandstanding to impress the tea party
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    They approve the transaction when someone writes them a bad check, too.
    and jindal does not step in and take away their check books or rubber pencils
    the retailers are left to recover from those who stole from them
    which is exactly what should happen in this instance
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you think the incident shown in that video is a new occurrence or even rare? Do you believe the store manager was thinking "awesome!!! Im going to make the Waltons SO MUCH MONEY today"? Or do you think the store manager was thinking..."well...****...Im not sure what to do...just...ring them up"? NONE of which excuses the very obvious intent of the people that went to WalMart that day with the ABSOLUTE INTENT to commit fraud, as testified to when they ran out of the store and left their baskets in place as soon as the system came up.
    all that is actually known from this vignette is that the wal mart manager failed to follow established protocol when not limiting SNAP purchases to $50
    so, if wal mart believes it can prove fraud, then it should do so in the courts
    but since the buyers were unabe to determine how much was actually available on their cards at the time of purchase, establishing that they knowingly exceeded their card limit is going to be difficult to prove
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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