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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I do wish there would be a fraud investigation on the people who milked the glitch. The retailers certainly paid in losses, but like I said earlier if I had done that with a personal check, I would be in prison for a while.
    It would be more of a theft, but one allowed by the retailer. But given this particular retailer's statements about this so far and their past stance on shoplifters, it isn't likely to be pursued by them, and it would be their responsibility to do so, since they are the ones out the money. The government did their job (according to this article anyway). They took away the actual abusers' benefits altogether.
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Why do you seem so lenient in your view with those who facilitated the sales? personally, you can hardly justify pursuing criminal action and not seeking remedy from the party that facilitated such actions.
    They already paid in lost inventory and aren't going to be compensated. What else would you want to do to them as they didn't really do anything except ring it up, would you punish a business owner who was given a fraudulent check?
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It would be more of a theft, but one allowed by the retailer. But given this particular retailer's statements about this so far and their past stance on shoplifters, it isn't likely to be pursued by them, and it would be their responsibility to do so, since they are the ones out the money. The government did their job (according to this article anyway). They took away the actual abusers' benefits altogether.
    The reason it would fall under fraud is because it's a wire transaction because of the EBT card, though theft could be applied as a reduced charge. I know if I used a card in bad faith my butt would be in prison quick, fast, and in a hurry.
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They already paid in lost inventory and aren't going to be compensated.
    right, and the ebt moops are already losing their benefits ...


    What else would you want to do to them as they didn't really do anything except ring it up
    They knowingly facilitated these fraudulant sales. To use your bank analogy, if someone used their position at the bank to facilitate you passing bogus checks, they would fall under legal scrutiny as well

    would you punish a business owner who was given a fraudulent check?
    depends on the circumstance: if the business owner knew it was fraud and took it with the intent to pass it on to a third party, as to personally benefit from the sale, then yes, indeed....

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The reason it would fall under fraud is because it's a wire transaction because of the EBT card, though theft could be applied as a reduced charge. I know if I used a card in bad faith my butt would be in prison quick, fast, and in a hurry.
    Not likely if it was an error with the system and instead of stopping you from using it, the retailer went ahead and accepted the card, despite you not having funds. It would be seen as a joint error. Now, you might be expected to pay back the amount, but it would depend. Let's say it was a gift card. If the retailer accepted the card showing no limit on it (something no gift card, like EBT cards should ever show), then that is on them and you have a legitimate defense against fraud unless you manipulated the card to show something different (which is not what these people did).
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    right, and the ebt moops are already losing their benefits ...
    But also knowingly committed wire fraud, willfully committed wire fraud. The retailer shouldn't have gone without a verification or followed the minimum, but facilitation would require that they absolutely knew these people didn't have backing funds in their balances which can't be proven.




    They knowingly facilitated these fraudulant sales. To use your bank analogy, if someone used their position at the bank to facilitate you passing bogus checks, they would fall under legal scrutiny as well
    You don't know that for sure. For the people who went hundreds over limit, it's provable.


    depends on the circumstance: if the business owner knew it was fraud and took it with the intent to pass it on to a third party, as to personally benefit from the sale, then yes, indeed....
    Okay, but you do not know that the retailers here knowingly facilitated a crime and for all we do know they felt the honor system was preferable to the near riots that happened earlier.
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not likely if it was an error with the system and instead of stopping you from using it, the retailer went ahead and accepted the card, despite you not having funds. It would be seen as a joint error. Now, you might be expected to pay back the amount, but it would depend. Let's say it was a gift card. If the retailer accepted the card showing no limit on it (something no gift card, like EBT cards should ever show), then that is on them and you have a legitimate defense against fraud unless you manipulated the card to show something different (which is not what these people did).
    Possibly, but the laws on wire fraud are written so broadly as to be a catchall which is why I think it would be possible to pursue those charges. It would depend on the ability to prove that the initial party(the EBT client) intentionally committed a fraudulent act by using the card knowing they didn't have the funds to cover it. It could also fall under defrauding government services even though the taxpayers didn't lose out on this.
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    But also knowingly committed wire fraud, willfully committed wire fraud. The retailer shouldn't have gone without a verification or followed the minimum, but facilitation would require that they absolutely knew these people didn't have backing funds in their balances which can't be proven.
    No, they clearly knew the system was not working properly, which is why they contacted corporate




    You don't know that for sure. For the people who went hundreds over limit, it's provable.
    No, it was absolutely known the system was not working properly and they ignored the proper safety precautions put into place. As I said, it's obvious you want to excuse one party here based on your view of state assistance. Shame on you for being so blatantly partisan


    Okay, but you do not know that the retailers here knowingly facilitated a crime and for all we do know they felt the honor system was preferable to the near riots that happened earlier.
    lol @ being back to walmart of potential victim of mass riots. So predictable and shameful

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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, they clearly knew the system was not working properly, which is why they contacted corporate






    No, it was absolutely known the system was not working properly and they ignored the proper safety precautions put into place. As I said, it's obvious you want to excuse one party here based on your view of state assistance. Shame on you for being so blatantly partisan




    lol @ being back to walmart of potential victim of mass riots. So predictable and shameful
    1) There was already a public incident prior to this story, same timeframe 2) You are speculating about the rest.
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    Re: Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1) There was already a public incident prior to this story, same timeframe 2) You are speculating about the rest.
    1) there was? offer a citation.

    2) No, they contacted corporate because they knew the system wasn't working properly; other stores, including walmarts, either stopped accepting ebt cards or limited purchases; and there were clearly established safeguards in place to specifically deal with such situations. No speculation on any of these points and they have all been widely reported on

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