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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post


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    How am I the one who is uncomfortable? All I'm saying is that it's a poor choice of costume, if the kid gets his ass kicked for his choice then it would be his own fault, and that (to the kid) the purpose of the costume is not necessarily rooted in bigotry.
    First of all, that is a much more precise explanation of your point. Explain how this could not be "rooted" in bigotry. It's a KKK costume. It you are suggesting that she may not be a bigot based simply on the costume....she would have to have been raised in a cave to not understand what that costume means and it is pretty easy to assume that the tradition that passed down that costumer also based down the beliefs that go along with it.

    You don't seem to have perspective in this, dear. You're wearing your blackness on your sleeve, and it compromises your objectivity. If you have a young son and I say, "He's a beautiful boy", am I racist? After all, I just called him "boy". Time to go Sharpton on me, right? No intent, no malicious purpose, but saying "boy" automatically files it under R for racism.
    You can not equate using the word boy to address a male child to a KKK costume. The costume has one meaning and one history the word boy has multiple applications and meanings so ...apples and rotten oranges my friend.

    Racism isn't a thing. It's a belief. It's an attitude. It cannot be equated to a costume, or a burning cross, or a flag. By not doing that, you're making racism into nothing more evolved than a Pavlovian response
    Racism is an attitude or an idea, one that manifests itself in actions, actions that are destructive and unjust. If you want to free the world, or at least make the effort, of racism or sexism or ageism or any other behavior (fed by attitudes and beliefs) that is ultimately hurtful to all of us then you speak up. I put thought into my position and accusing me of not doing so just because you can't see it or refuse to see it is a cheap shot. It's a ****ing KKK costume for christs sake.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    First of all, that is a much more precise explanation of your point. Explain how this could not be "rooted" in bigotry. It's a KKK costume. It you are suggesting that she may not be a bigot based simply on the costume....she would have to have been raised in a cave to not understand what that costume means and it is pretty easy to assume that the tradition that passed down that costumer also based down the beliefs that go along with it.
    What if I was to tell you that the Klan originated as an anti-Republican group that was meant to fight Reconstruction? Their original targets were white northern industrialists.

    What if I was to tell you that the Confederacy flag (a.k.a. the "Rebel Flag") existed only as a wartime flag that the south flew during battles, not as some sort of pro-slavery symbol?

    And what if I was to tell you that the swastika originated long before the Third Reich and the rise of Hitler?

    You can not equate using the word boy to address a male child to a KKK costume. The costume has one meaning and one history the word boy has multiple applications and meanings so ...apples and rotten oranges my friend.
    What if I was to tell you that the original uniform didn't include the pointy-hat capirote?

    Racism is an attitude or an idea, one that manifests itself in actions, actions that are destructive and unjust. If you want to free the world, or at least make the effort, of racism or sexism or ageism or any other behavior (fed by attitudes and beliefs) that is ultimately hurtful to all of us then you speak up. I put thought into my position and accusing me of not doing so just because you can't see it or refuse to see it is a cheap shot. It's a ****ing KKK costume for christs sake.
    Okay, now what was the kid doing that was "destructive and unjust"? Was he trick-or-treating, or was he beating up neighborhood black kids with a baseball bat? Was he setting crosses on fire in the lawns of houses where black people live? Was he shouting racial slurs?

    By your transitory belief system, going as Elton John for Halloween makes me gay.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
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    What if I was to tell you that the Klan originated as an anti-Republican group that was meant to fight Reconstruction? Their original targets were white northern industrialists.

    What if I was to tell you that the Confederacy flag (a.k.a. the "Rebel Flag") existed only as a wartime flag that the south flew during battles, not as some sort of pro-slavery symbol?

    And what if I was to tell you that the swastika originated long before the Third Reich and the rise of Hitler?
    We are talking about current popular belief and you know it.

    Okay, now what was the kid doing that was "destructive and unjust"? Was he trick-or-treating, or was he beating up neighborhood black kids with a baseball bat? Was he setting crosses on fire in the lawns of houses where black people live? Was he shouting racial slurs?
    I never said the KID was bigoted.(although there's a fair chance he will be one as an adult) I think it's pretty clear that the mother is.

    I do believe that bigotry is destructive and unjust.

    going as Elton John for Halloween makes me gay
    that's just stupid
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The fact (And it is a fact, Check the demographic voting results of recent elections.) that the vast majority of American Blacks have switched from Abe Lincoln's GOP to the Democratic Party tells me that the GOP has a huge problem.

    If the old White men who rule the GOP don't do something about that problem in thirty years or so when massive demographic change hits the GOP full force it is very likely that the GOP will join the Whigs.

    I am not wishing for this, I am just saying that it's coming unless the GOP make some major changes in the near future.




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    Sure. If you have your way, the whole country will share the same experience that crippled dependent pets and black Americans all across the country face for their support of the democrat party. Dare to dream, baby.

    50+ years of blind support for the democrat party...and the black community has been devastated. LBJ and Robert Byrd somewhere are shedding happy tears.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sure. If you have your way, the whole country will share the same experience that crippled dependent pets and black Americans all across the country face for their support of the democrat party. Dare to dream, baby.

    50+ years of blind support for the democrat party...and the black community has been devastated. LBJ and Robert Byrd somewhere are shedding happy tears.
    50+ years of blind support for the democrat party and the black community is not much better off (and in some respects is much worse off) than it was 50 years ago.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    We are talking about current popular belief and you know it.
    If there's one thing I know, it's that "most Americans are f'n stupid". Argumentum ad populum is the easiest way to create a disconnect with me.

    I never said the KID was bigoted.(although there's a fair chance he will be one as an adult) I think it's pretty clear that the mother is.

    I do believe that bigotry is destructive and unjust.
    I agree - the mother is.

    that's just stupid
    How? It's completely comparable. You're creating a false equivalency, and I made a justifiable comparison involving it.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sure. If you have your way, the whole country will share the same experience that crippled dependent pets and black Americans all across the country face for their support of the democrat party.
    Dare to dream, baby.


    50+ years of blind support for the democrat party...and the black community has been devastated. LBJ and Robert Byrd somewhere are shedding happy tears.



    Thirty years from now we'll see who's dreaming, baby.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Thirty years from now we'll see who's dreaming, baby.
    30 years from now the Republocrats will have enslaved us all.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Thirty years from now we'll see who's dreaming, baby.
    and if the democrats have their way....the black community will still have above national average crime, poverty, and out-of-wedlock births and below national average education and job opportunities. gotta keep 'em down and dependent so they will keep falling for your false promises of hope and change.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post

    I agree - the mother is.
    If there's one thing I know, it's that "most Americans are f'n stupid". Argumentum ad populum is the easiest way to create a disconnect with me.
    Point is that you have to consider what those symbols mean NOW and the history that your average person will know about them.

    How? It's completely comparable. You're creating a false equivalency, and I made a justifiable comparison involving it.
    For one thing remember I never said the kid was a bigot. He's a kid.

    It's not comparable because you can not equate the social relevance of Elton John with that of the KKK.
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