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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yep, still doesn't spare them the bullying, social exclusion etc that is experienced by individuals with "unique" names. Which is what I was getting at. You don't have a right to name someone else in a way that makes them into a social pariah.
    I agree in principle here, but application always struck me as a difficult aspect in this

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yep, still doesn't spare them the bullying, social exclusion etc that is experienced by individuals with "unique" names. Which is what I was getting at. You don't have a right to name someone else in a way that makes them into a social pariah.
    So now "unique" names are out? Jeeze man, what else can we not do Through edict of Haughty?

    Again, you've demonstrated no harm, you have only expressed your opinion and your opinion is not enough for despotic police action against individual thought.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

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    Then let me refer you to what I said above - do you think that every truck or home in the south that has a picture of or flies a Confederate flag is insinuating that slavery is perfectly okay and should be allowed? With your argument above, you're making exactly that claim.
    I think they are associating themselves openly with a symbol that means just that too many many people. To pretend like that implication is not present is unrealistic. They are free to do it and I am free to think that there is a good chance they are a bigoted retard. I would not seek to deny them that right nor my right to express my opinion about their choice.

    You're essentially making my case for me - it's just a "sheet of fabric", as is a Klansman uniform. The Klan is not the sheet; it's the man underneath it. You can't claim symbolism in one area and not claim it in another. You're trivializing your own argument
    We are not talking about banning rights or appropriate punishment. This conversation is about opinions and judgements as individuals. I can think you are an ignorant bigot and judge you as such but have no desire to take away your right to to continue to do so or to jail you for it.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, I'm just pointing out that there's tons of bigotry and ignorance to go around, even from your side.
    Sure there is. So what do you do. Just ignore it?
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
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    Thos woman and her family are getting feath threats. Nice job of blowing it out of proportion. It's just a ****ing Halloween costume! Whats next? Burn little girls that dress like a witch at the stake?
    It is not just a Halloween costume anymore than a Nazi uniform is. The people making death threats are just as distrubed as the family that put their child in the costume in the first place.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I think they are associating themselves openly with a symbol that means just that too many many people. To pretend like that implication is not present is unrealistic. They are free to do it and I am free to think that there is a good chance they are a bigoted retard. I would not seek to deny them that right nor my right to express my opinion about their choice.



    We are not talking about banning rights or appropriate punishment. This conversation is about opinions and judgements as individuals. I can think you are an ignorant bigot and judge you as such but have no desire to take away your right to to continue to do so or to jail you for it.
    Good point. I understand this, and I understand that you're going to equate something you don't like into the absolute worst thing, and project it upon other people.

    Usually the people who play the race card are the first to engage is absurd levels of hyperbole. You're coming off as a bull who sees a red cape flapping in the wind at every turn.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Good point. I understand this, and I understand that you're going to equate something you don't like into the absolute worst thing, and project it upon other people.

    Usually the people who play the race card are the first to engage is absurd levels of hyperbole. You're coming off as a bull who sees a red cape flapping in the wind at every turn.
    You are coming off as someone who is made uncomfortable by the topic so you refuse to see it unless there is a burning cross or white hoodies (oh....wait)
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You are coming off as someone who is made uncomfortable by the topic so you refuse to see it unless there is a burning cross or white hoodies (oh....wait)
    How am I the one who is uncomfortable? All I'm saying is that it's a poor choice of costume, if the kid gets his ass kicked for his choice then it would be his own fault, and that (to the kid) the purpose of the costume is not necessarily rooted in bigotry.

    You don't seem to have perspective in this, dear. You're wearing your blackness on your sleeve, and it compromises your objectivity. If you have a young son and I say, "He's a beautiful boy", am I racist? After all, I just called him "boy". Time to go Sharpton on me, right? No intent, no malicious purpose, but saying "boy" automatically files it under R for racism.

    Racism isn't a thing. It's a belief. It's an attitude. It cannot be equated to a costume, or a burning cross, or a flag. By not doing that, you're making racism into nothing more evolved than a Pavlovian response.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yep, still doesn't spare them the bullying, social exclusion etc that is experienced by individuals with "unique" names. Which is what I was getting at. You don't have a right to name someone else in a way that makes them into a social pariah.
    No, yoy don't have the right to turn someone into a social pariah because he has a unique name.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    It is not just a Halloween costume anymore than a Nazi uniform is. The people making death threats are just as distrubed as the family that put their child in the costume in the first place.
    It is just a Halloween costume. There was no racist intent,cas far as I can tell. The costume by itself isn't racist.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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