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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Based on what?
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    She stated that there is nothing wrong with the group. Nothing wrong with a racist, violent, anti semeitc, group.
    She said "Its supposed to BE white with white, black with black, etc etc". Meaning that whites should marry blacks or any other minority and any other minority shoulndt be with whites.


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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sorry, you don't get to make your thoughts into a damaging decision for others.
    Sorry, you don't get to use "damaging" as debate avoider. Maybe if you PROVED damaging in a quantifiable measure. Till then, it's nothing more than your opinion and you are not god.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    How stupid do you have to be to not get that this is, at the very least, a really really bad idea for your child's Halloween costume? For all those folks out there who claim that racism is dead....ummmmmmm....no.
    Institutional racism is dead, you're never going to forcibly change the minds of individuals who insist on believing stupid things, so long as they don't act on it. People have a right to wear whatever they want, whether you like it or not. They broke no laws. Deal with it.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dear god. For about the 4th ****ing time. I'm not saying that she should have her 1st amendment rights taken away I'm just calling her a ignorant ****er who is a bigot. I'm using my 1st amdendment rights too, to call her out on her ****ing ignorance.
    Call her whatever you want, she can call you names back. Isn't freedom of speech wonderful?
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what I find interesting is that there is no mention of anyone threatening to beat up the black kid or talking about how his parents should have known better.
    I guess they never saw "Blazing Saddles".



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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sorry, you don't get to use "damaging" as debate avoider. Maybe if you PROVED damaging in a quantifiable measure. Till then, it's nothing more than your opinion and you are not god.
    Spare me your subjective nonsense. It's an established fact that names can and do cause damage to the individual:

    Your Career: Can your name affect your career? - Business - Careers | NBC News

    One study by researchers at MIT and the University of Chicago found that job applicants with names that sounded African-American got short shrift when it came to the hiring process. The researchers sent out 5,000 fake resumes, and it turned out that resumes with names such as Tyrone and Tamika were less likely to get calls from prospective employers than their Anglo-sounding counterparts, and qualifications seemed to have little impact.
    John, for example, was seen by those polled as largely “wholesome,” while Juan was rated higher when it came to being “devious.” And as far as the “strange” rating on the two names — 44 percent thought John was strange, while nearly 70 percent thought Juan was strange.
    Now, try calling your kid some **** like "Aryan Race" and see how that works out for you.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a lot of moving the goalposts in the bigotry argument here.

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    She stated that there is nothing wrong with the group. Nothing wrong with a racist, violent, anti semeitc, group.
    She said "Its supposed to BE white with white, black with black, etc etc". Meaning that whites should marry blacks or any other minority and any other minority shoulndt be with whites.
    hate to break it to you, but there are black folks out there who think there is nothing wrong with the new black panthers and that blacks shouldn't marry whites or any other "race" except blacks.
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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    She stated that there is nothing wrong with the group. Nothing wrong with a racist, violent, anti semeitc, group.
    She said "Its supposed to BE white with white, black with black, etc etc". Meaning that whites should marry blacks or any other minority and any other minority shoulndt be with whites.
    So what?

    I married a white woman.

    It was my intention since I was old enough to find the opposite sex attractive to marry a white woman.

    I dated plenty of women from other races, cultures, and backgrounds.

    Asians, Asian Indians, Black women, you name it.

    But I always figured I'd marry a white one.

    And I did.

    She's an immigrant from Ecuador, so clearly not Buffy the WASP, but she's as white as you or I.

    That doesn't say a damn thing about how I feel about women, or people in general, of other races.

    It doesn't say a damn thing about how I feel about men, or those who choose to pursue same-sex relationships.

    I have no doubt that I'm just as progressive as you are when it comes to the rights of racial minorities and LGBTQ people.

    I expect them all to be treated equally, and no differently than I would be treated.

    But to say that, for me, white women fit the bill doesn't take away at all from my feelings of inclusion for any other "group".

    All that woman said was that, for her, whites should be with whites and men should be with women and that there's nothing wrong with the KKK because they believe the same things she believes.

    Not bigotry.

    If she would have gone farther and said that lynching African Americans is good, or that same-sex couples should be driven from the neighborhood at the point of a pitchfork, or that her kid shouldn't have to trick-or-treat with Mexicans, then yeah, sure, bigotry.

    But the simple fact that folks don't see 100% eye-to-eye with us?

    Not at all.

    As long as they're leaving other people alone, not discriminating against, persecuting, or hating on other people, then I fail to see the bigotry.
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
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    letting your child wear a costume that's been in the family for generations is not bigotry alone
    I think it is a little unrealistic not to consider history in this case. You can not simply refer to a KKK costume as " a costume that's been in the family for generations" it makes is sound too innocent. A tag it does not deserve.

    Also, I'm pretty sure that attitudes are included in the definition of bigotry it's not just actions. Attitudes are typically expressed through words or actions anyway so its manifestation is kind of inevitable.

    I believe that bigotry is active. I don't believe that bigotry is passive. Do you believe anyone who burns the American flag should go to jail? We're on the same premise here if you do.
    No, I do not think that you should go to jail for burning the flag. I think that kind of loyalty to a sheet of fabric is dangerous.
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