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WillyPete said:

Wow, you seem to be really working hard to convince someone.

I don't think anyone believes Obama is literally denying that he said those words.

Clearly his original statement is not accurate in every case.

Do you think you'd be even more worked up if he had said "You can keep your coverage and doctor forever, even if the doctor dies, the parent corporation goes bankrupt and the hospital is burned to the ground!"?

That's what I thought he meant. I feel so betrayed.

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The Word PERIOD is pretty definitive.

It leaves no wiggle room to insert anything.

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Mycroft said:

Some existing plans?? Try...upwards to 93 million! I'd say that's a bit more than "some".

In any case, insurance companies are in the business of providing a variety of products their customers will be willing to pay for. The same as any other business. Now we have the Democrats telling insurance companies...and the people...that there is only ONE product that they MUST buy.

For a lot of people...thanks to Obama's lie...that is very much a surprise.

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Haven't we seen reports of people that had great plans that covered just about everything and they were still cancelled?

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Mason66 said:

Haven't we seen reports of people that had great plans that covered just about everything and they were still cancelled?

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I don't know. Do you have any links?

In any case, I have seen reports of people who were happy with their insurance coverage...the prices, the coverage...it was all acceptable to them. But now they can't have it and they feel they were lied to when Obama was trying to sell Obamcare to them.

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Mason66 said:

The Word PERIOD is pretty definitive.

It leaves no wiggle room to insert anything.

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It was. The problem is the president is now back stepping on that saying that was not what he said as at that dinner in Washington. He has begun to parse it and lawyerese it. That maybe one reason for him dropping from around 45% approval down to 39%. No one like lawyers and he is starting to speak like one.

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Perotista said:

It was. The problem is the president is now back stepping on that saying that was not what he said as at that dinner in Washington. He has begun to parse it and lawyerese it. That maybe one reason for him dropping from around 45% approval down to 39%. No one like lawyers and he is starting to speak like one.

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well he was head of the Harvard law review at one point in time, so it is no surprise that he sounds like a lawyer.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

well he was head of the Harvard law review at one point in time, so it is no surprise that he sounds like a lawyer.

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True, he was riding high before he started to sound like a lawyer though.

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Mason66 said:

The Word PERIOD is pretty definitive.

It leaves no wiggle room to insert anything.

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"shall not be infringed" is pretty definitive and you have seen how they are trying to wiggle around that... jus' sayin'

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WillyPete said:

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I believe it is a lie by omission that has been inflated.

If it was known years in advance, and is so compelling it would have prevented passage, why didn't GOP blow it up then? They've been throwing the kitchen sink at Obamacare for years.

I see this as just the next scene in the political theater. The GOP is (still) aggressively trying to turn public opinion against Obamacare however they can, with an eye on reaping benefits in 2014 and 2016. they would do the same whether there were Obamacare implementation problems or not.




I actually think the GOP is better, as they seem to be less likely to be called out on their lies. As an example, Oliver North is a GOP hero today.

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There is no omission. Obama straight up said "If you like your policy **********. Period"

Oliver North has nothing whatever to do with Obama lies. Neither has the GOP.

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Anthony60 said:

I guess we kind of agree on this, though I think it is quite a serious offense, not run of the mill political huffing and puffing.

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That's exactly what it looks like from over here, but then I support the idea of improving the U.S. health care system, whereas most of the opposition seem to like the old status quo fine.

Oh, I think there were people expressing disbelief on what Obama was saying, but nobody listened.

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Well, it didn't prevent its passage, so we can put that idea to bed.

Now that, surprise, people have actually lost policies that they were told they could keep, it has hit them square in the head. And, now, (this is incredible), Obama was out there claiming that he said "...as long as the policies don't change..."! That is an even bolder lie than the first one!!! He obviously doesn't give a crap what we think, that much is clear.

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Attempting to clarify what he meant was a mistake, because folks looking for an excuse to go on the attack will get one every time.

He should have qualified his statement the first time, but kicking him again when he tries to clarify himself is vindictive.

If he didn't care at all, why would he bother responding to criticism?

I would have to strongly disagree on that. I think the left is built on misleading and deception, they wouldn't win half the seats that they have if both parties just told the truth.

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I see no major difference in the willingness to mislead between the parties, so we'll just have to disagree. Maybe you are fully aware of this history, but I'd recommend you look into the seamier sides of the last few Republican administrations. There's plenty of muck to sling all over everyone. Not all of it landed where it should have.

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WillyPete said:

Well, it didn't prevent its passage, so we can put that idea to bed.

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It was a straight party line vote with almost zero debate. No amount of criticism would have prevented the passage.

I see no major difference in the willingness to mislead between the parties

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very true statement.

In the end, the President lied by ommission. I believe it was calculated.

I wrote a letter to my Congressman and my Senators asking them what happens when a plan is not up to the standard? How long will the "grandfathered clause" be in effect? What is to keep the insurance companies from cancelling any plan that has been grandfathered so they can make more money on a newer, ACA compliant plan?

My Rep and one Senator (Republicans) replied with the canned "we will do everything we can to repeal this invasion of our rights , blah blah blah send me money....."
The other Senator (Democrat) replied with the equally canned " The ACA is a great step forward for our country, side step side step, blah blah blah send me money....."

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Perotista said:

It was. The problem is the president is now back stepping on that saying that was not what he said as at that dinner in Washington. He has begun to parse it and lawyerese it. That maybe one reason for him dropping from around 45% approval down to 39%. No one like lawyers and he is starting to speak like one.

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That was my point in an earlier post.

Does the man not know everything he says is recorded and video taped?

He can't say he didn't say something when it is on tape and expect to come out of it not looking like the stupidest man in the country.

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Mason66 said:

That was my point in an earlier post.

Does the man not know everything he says is recorded and video taped?

He can't say he didn't say something when it is on tape and expect to come out of it not looking like the stupidest man in the country.

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It will be interesting to see what he says in Texas tonight. His visit there is to push Obamacare. I wonder if he will try more legalese. What I want to see happens tomorrow when he goes to New Orleans. I wonder if Senator Landrieu will show up on stage with him. She is up for re-election next year and cast what may have been the deciding vote for Obamacare back in March of 2010. Now she seems to be running away from it. She introduced legislation either yesterday or the day before to let those who previous had insurance keep it. She introduced her bill by say, "We promised that if you had insurance, you could keep your insurance. This bill will make that happen." That may not be exact, but pretty darn close. There is more happening behind the scenes too. 15 Dem senators had a meeting this afternoon with the president concerning Obamacare, it was reported they weren't happy.

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Chiefgator said:

very true statement.

In the end, the President lied by ommission. I believe it was calculated.

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Of course it was lying... He repeated that lie in over 29 places, and bald faced lied KNOWING THAT these were lies.

There's no half-stepping... Obama lies (not just Obama, But all high level politicians on both sides) even if the truth would even serve him better than the lies.

It's almost comical how the same people that are praising Obama were among those that were out for bush's head for the same or less... If I would have known that the reason the left hated bush was because bush wasn't being enough of a pathological liar, war monger and tyrant..

I wrote a letter to my Congressman and my Senators asking them what happens when a plan is not up to the standard? How long will the "grandfathered clause" be in effect? What is to keep the insurance companies from cancelling any plan that has been grandfathered so they can make more money on a newer, ACA compliant plan?

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It's written in such a way that the insurance companies dump plans as they see fit.

My Rep and one Senator (Republicans) replied with the canned "we will do everything we can to repeal this invasion of our rights , blah blah blah send me money....."
The other Senator (Democrat) replied with the equally canned " The ACA is a great step forward for our country, side step side step, blah blah blah send me money....."

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Well, do you really expect anything different from YOUR representatives??