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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its not what he said, and how he presented it.
    And who's business is it what policy anyone has as long as they are happy with it.
    I driver a 1999 Jimmy, it would be like telling me I MUST go buy a 2014 Tahoe. Whether I can afford it or not.
    By that same logic, who's business is it if the toy you buy for your child has lead in it so long as you are happy with it? Who's business is it if the building you work in has asbestos in it as long as you are happy with it? The obvious answer is that these things are dangerous and a powerful and profitable corporation should not be able to push inferior products that will result in people's deaths merely because they're the only game in town.
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    "'What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passed'"

    No, that's not what you said.

    You said "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan. PERIOD."

    What you're NOW dishonestly claiming you said was "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan. COMMA, if it hasn't change sine the law passed"

    Not to mention, the President made the claim in APRIL of 2010 that if you liked your plan you could keep it. That was after the law was passed, and that was after the date that you had to have your plan and it had to remain largely unchanged according to the law.This is just bold faced, unquestionable, flat out lying. It's no longer to the point where one can claim that, at best, it is simply dishonesty or misleading. This is flat out, bald faced, lying.
    Wow, you seem to be really working hard to convince someone.

    I don't think anyone believes Obama is literally denying that he said those words.

    Clearly his original statement is not accurate in every case.

    Do you think you'd be even more worked up if he had said "You can keep your coverage and doctor forever, even if the doctor dies, the parent corporation goes bankrupt and the hospital is burned to the ground!"?

    That's what I thought he meant. I feel so betrayed.

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    By that same logic, who's business is it if the toy you buy for your child has lead in it so long as you are happy with it? Who's business is it if the building you work in has asbestos in it as long as you are happy with it? The obvious answer is that these things are dangerous and a powerful and profitable corporation should not be able to push inferior products that will result in people's deaths merely because they're the only game in town.
    Goes back to personal responsibility. I guess I should sell all my guns, cars, race equipment, 4x4s, Jeeps, atvs, lose weight, go to the doc more often.

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't understand how anyone is surprised about this. One of the main points about the ACA was raising the standards of healthcare plans to a workable minimum. Obviously, some existing plans do not meet these criteria. So, some plans are going away. If insurance companies are attempting to exploit loopholes to keep the people who had previously been on these plans from getting better ones, or are exploiting the situation to try to charge these people more, then that is definitely a problem. But ensuring that no one was stuck with a sub-par plan was part of the ACA from the beginning. So, how is this a surprise?
    Some existing plans?? Try...upwards to 93 million! I'd say that's a bit more than "some".

    In any case, insurance companies are in the business of providing a variety of products their customers will be willing to pay for. The same as any other business. Now we have the Democrats telling insurance companies...and the people...that there is only ONE product that they MUST buy.

    For a lot of people...thanks to Obama's lie...that is very much a surprise.
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That was not a good thing for Obama to say.
    Which lies? The ones back when he was selling Obamakare, or all the ones that followed thereafter until yesterday?

    I'd like to ask Frau Pelosi... now that we've found out what's inside our ObamaKare Cracker Jack Box, can we return it for a refund?
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Maybe for you and me it would be hard, but it's a grand tradition in American politics.

    Is the GOP led by professional politicians or not?
    I think Obama went way over the line with his lies on this one. It's just the magnitude of it all. One of the largest government programs ever, passed by one vote, he mislead the American people, rammed it down the throats of tens of millions of people that just pain do not want it, and it got zero republican votes.
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    29 Lies on tape. It takes a certain type of mind to flat out lie like this, and then lie about the lies.
    I guess he figures Team Pravda would back him up on this, but this turd is even too big for them to haul away.

    To lie in this manner, about this "signature" bit of legislation and power grab reveals this guy has been doing this all his life.
    Obama is a practiced, professional prevaricator that hasn't been called out by his own it seems... ever.



    Reminds me of the Robert Plant tune... 29 Palms.

    29 lies...

    30 lies...
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If it's a crime, arrest him. However, it isn't, but then you know that already and are just spouting off righty rhteoric. Much like the left did with Bush and saying what he did was illegal and a crime. Nothing I mentioned excuses Obama from his responsibility, I just enjoy watching the righties like you on this board go hypocritical.

    Rage on my right-wing foamer, rage on!
    Wait, but it was the democrats that were critical when bush did, and now when Obama takes it a step further you support him?? And it's the right that are hypocrites!?

    No you are all being hypocrites, and it's disgusting... Does anyone in the country actually have values anymore??

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Wait, but it was the democrats that were critical when bush did, and now when Obama takes it a step further you support him?? And it's the right that are hypocrites!?
    I'm not a Dem, I can only speak for myself and I didn't accuse Bush of that. I think I have already said that BOTH the Dems and Reps are hypocrites.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No you are all being hypocrites, and it's disgusting... Does anyone in the country actually have values anymore??
    Please show me with quotes how I am being hypocritical. As for values, you are accusing me of something I didn't do. Where are YOUR values?

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, how is this a surprise?
    Because casual folks that don't research a ton into politics or laws or don't have a fully working understanding of how regulations work heard one of the dozens of times Barack Obama stated unequivocably, broadly, and without any wiggle room or conditions that "If you like your healthcare plan, you get to keep your healthcare plan".....and now there's clear evidence that such a statement, in such stark and absolute terms such as "period" or "guaranteed", was completely false and that's causing people to scratch their heads. Especially since this was the man that was elected primarily and largely based off a campaign message of "Change" to "politics as usual" and to the way washington works and to partisan politics and to Bush era tactics and they're now being told that they should just ignore it because "hey, politicians do this kind of thing".

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