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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    So only the Dem are capable of manipulating the electorate? Does the GOP want to win, or do they want to complain about losing?

    Recent history is lopsided.
    I am not sure what this answer has to do with the question I asked, can you clarify?
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Are you saying that it's a "grand tradition", so you are okay with it and will accept it, no matter what the level?
    I'm also okay with gravity. It's how politics works, for all participants, always. Our founders lied to the solders that fought the Revolution about their back pay. <Link>


    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I am not sure what this answer has to do with the question I asked, can you clarify?
    My main point is that misleading the electorate is the foundation of our election system. You seem to imply that the Democrats invented misleading campaigning in the 80's or something.

    If the voters are stupid, why does the GOP have so much trouble manipulating them? They've managed it before. What changed?

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

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    I'm also okay with gravity. It's how politics works, for all participants, always. Our founders lied to the solders that fought the Revolution about their back pay. <Link>




    My main point is that misleading the electorate is the foundation of our election system. You seem to imply that the Democrats invented misleading campaigning in the 80's or something.

    If the voters are stupid, why does the GOP have so much trouble manipulating them? They've managed it before. What changed?
    Because Democrats have a monopoly and "free stuff for doing nothing" and "all your problems are the fault of white people".

    Democrats screw like rabbits and now outnumber the responsible faction of this country. Their lives only get drastically worse for it, but they're not bright enough to figure it out. It's one of those evolutionary eventualities. DNA mutations spawn and spread rapidly.

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Because Democrats have a monopoly and "free stuff for doing nothing" and "all your problems are the fault of white people".

    Democrats screw like rabbits and now outnumber the responsible faction of this country. Their lives only get drastically worse for it, but they're not bright enough to figure it out. It's one of those evolutionary eventualities. DNA mutations spawn and spread rapidly.
    Anyone else immediately figure out what he meant by his second use of "democrats?"

    Edit: I probably shouldn't make jokes. This guy is using the same language that always precedes genocide.
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I'm also okay with gravity. It's how politics works, for all participants, always. Our founders lied to the solders that fought the Revolution about their back pay. <Link>
    I was looking for a more direct answer, but it looks like you are okay that Obama lied about the biggest social program in 50 years, and it may well have not been passed without his lies, though you don't seem to want to say it???


    My main point is that misleading the electorate is the foundation of our election system. You seem to imply that the Democrats invented misleading campaigning in the 80's or something.
    If the voters are stupid, why does the GOP have so much trouble manipulating them? They've managed it before. What changed?
    Yes, the left seems to be more adept at it, and have the attitude that the ends justifies the means, whether you agree or not, they have decided for you.
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I was looking for a more direct answer, but it looks like you are okay that Obama lied about the biggest social program in 50 years, and it may well have not been passed without his lies, though you don't seem to want to say it???
    I believe it is a lie by omission that has been inflated.

    If it was known years in advance, and is so compelling it would have prevented passage, why didn't GOP blow it up then? They've been throwing the kitchen sink at Obamacare for years.

    I see this as just the next scene in the political theater. The GOP is (still) aggressively trying to turn public opinion against Obamacare however they can, with an eye on reaping benefits in 2014 and 2016. they would do the same whether there were Obamacare implementation problems or not.


    Yes, the left seems to be more adept at it, and have the attitude that the ends justifies the means, whether you agree or not, they have decided for you.
    I actually think the GOP is better, as they seem to be less likely to be called out on their lies. As an example, Oliver North is a GOP hero today.

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I believe it is a lie by omission that has been inflated.
    I guess we kind of agree on this, though I think it is quite a serious offense, not run of the mill political huffing and puffing.

    If it was known years in advance, and is so compelling it would have prevented passage, why didn't GOP blow it up then? They've been throwing the kitchen sink at Obamacare for years.
    Oh, I think there were people expressing disbelief on what Obama was saying, but nobody listened. Now that, surprise, people have actually lost policies that they were told they could keep, it has hit them square in the head. And, now, (this is incredible), Obama was out there claiming that he said "...as long as the policies don't change..."! That is an even bolder lie than the first one!!! He obviously doesn't give a crap what we think, that much is clear.

    I actually think the GOP is better, as they seem to be less likely to be called out on their lies. As an example, Oliver North is a GOP hero today.
    I would have to strongly disagree on that. I think the left is built on misleading and deception, they wouldn't win half the seats that they have if both parties just told the truth.
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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not a play on words, that is a Clinton move.
    Obama straight up lied.
    That is how I see it.

    This makes you call into question Obamas intelligence.

    Does he not know what he says and does are video taped and recorded.

    He blatantly said the Word Period. after his statement about keeping your plan.

    The Period. puts an end to speculation after that.

    He now says he didn't say that but he said something else.

    He must have forgotten he was video taped many many times.

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Um, because clearly he lied. "you can keep your doctors and policy, period". Over and over. Now we are finding that isnt true in many cases.
    Now if he had said "we are doing everything possible to craft this law so you can keep your coverage" that would be different.
    He lied. Call it foaming at the mouth all day, but he lied.
    And apparently he knew it wasn't true at the time he said it.

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    Re: Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passe

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its not what he said, and how he presented it.
    And who's business is it what policy anyone has as long as they are happy with it.
    I driver a 1999 Jimmy, it would be like telling me I MUST go buy a 2014 Tahoe. Whether I can afford it or not.
    It would be more like Obama telling you that you had to have full coverage plus a 1 million dollar umbrela on your 15 year old truck, because there are people out there who can't afford car insurance, and you have to pay for them.

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