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    Re: Gay-rights bill clears first hurdle in Senate

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    That's just the natural pecking order of things. Think it's white where you are? Hop 23 north up to East Lansing and take a look around. If that place was any more white, it'd glow at night.

    It's really not right when you have to "darken up" your roster in order to save face from the people who want a soapbox. I mean, I don't think white people are making huge stinks at Grambling or Howard or Morehouse. I don't see why Michigan Law really needed to cater to the gods of the ecumenical PC movement.
    I think they said it adds to education to have racial diversity, but the pathetic thing of that argument is all the Asian kids who hang out only together and only speak their own language. I rarely see mixed races interacting, so i have to call BS on that. Can't change human behavior, we agree on that, but it's still a separate argument from ENDA. In fact, ENDA is an argument for meritocracy, because it demands that only job performance is a factor, as it should be.

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    Re: Gay-rights bill clears first hurdle in Senate

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    I think they said it adds to education to have racial diversity, but the pathetic thing of that argument is all the Asian kids who hang out only together and only speak their own language. I rarely see mixed races interacting, so i have to call BS on that. Can't change human behavior, we agree on that, but it's still a separate argument from ENDA. In fact, ENDA is an argument for meritocracy, because it demands that only job performance is a factor, as it should be.
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    Re: Gay-rights bill clears first hurdle in Senate

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    No it isn't.



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    Re: Gay-rights bill clears first hurdle in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not comparable. Anti-discrimination laws don't apply when the status is a "bona fide occupational qualification" (if I remember the business 101 terminology right). The point of hooters, or a strip club, is scantily clad women, so that's a qualification for the waitress/dancers. However, the same is not true of the person who cleans the bathroom at a hooters, so hooters can't disqualify you from janitorial employment solely for being a man.

    Similarly, being able to climb steps and lift heavy things is a requirement to be a fedex delivery person, so they get around some of the laws against discriminating against the physically disabled.

    "Being white" isn't an actual qualification for any position I can think of.
    Good points on the Hooters argument.
    So, let's say Medieval Times wouldn't hire a black man because the common picture most people have of a knight from the medieval times is a white guy, would you support that?
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    Re: Gay-rights bill clears first hurdle in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Good points on the Hooters argument.
    So, let's say Medieval Times wouldn't hire a black man because the common picture most people have of a knight from the medieval times is a white guy, would you support that?
    Absurd.





    But more seriously, that one is a bit harder to answer because it's starting from something inherently subjective and difficult to measure. The "common picture" that "most people" have might be a white guy, but if you asked people "Do you think there were any knights of African descent in the middle ages," most people would probably answer "yeah, there probably were some." Upon seeing a black man in armor, how many patrons of Medieval Times so much as raise an eyebrow? Let alone actually do anything that might affect the business. I mean, have you ever seen a black man play a knight in any form of media and thought to yourself, "A black knight? Pshaw!" Yeah, didn't think so. Now imagine yourself refusing to eat there because one of the knights is a black guy. Didn't think so either.

    Personally, I wouldn't approve at all, and I really doubt such a thing would hold up in court. Because the lawyers are going to ask the same questions I did, and more. Short of having a large enough statistical sample to definitively show that on nights where black knights perform, business suffers, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that "being white" is a legitimate job requirement to put on a suit of armor and entertain people.
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    Re: Gay-rights bill clears first hurdle in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Absurd.





    But more seriously, that one is a bit harder to answer because it's starting from something inherently subjective and difficult to measure. The "common picture" that "most people" have might be a white guy, but if you asked people "Do you think there were any knights of African descent in the middle ages," most people would probably answer "yeah, there probably were some." Upon seeing a black man in armor, how many patrons of Medieval Times so much as raise an eyebrow? Let alone actually do anything that might affect the business. I mean, have you ever seen a black man play a knight in any form of media and thought to yourself, "A black knight? Pshaw!" Yeah, didn't think so. Now imagine yourself refusing to eat there because one of the knights is a black guy. Didn't think so either.

    Personally, I wouldn't approve at all, and I really doubt such a thing would hold up in court. Because the lawyers are going to ask the same questions I did, and more. Short of having a large enough statistical sample to definitively show that on nights where black knights perform, business suffers, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that "being white" is a legitimate job requirement to put on a suit of armor and entertain people.
    Granted, this argument would need some statistical data backing it. All I'm saying is that when I think of a knight from medieval times, I don't think of a black dude. That's just me though.
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    Re: Gay-rights bill clears first hurdle in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Granted, this argument would need some statistical data backing it. All I'm saying is that when I think of a knight from medieval times, I don't think of a black dude. That's just me though.
    seriously.... most, if not all, of the knights in medieval times were wealthy land owners or nobles. There weren't very many black dudes in Europe at all. I'd be surprised if there were any "black" knights. Most of the "blacks" in medieval Europe were Moors, as such, their dress and accoutrements would have been different from the stereotypical "medieval Knight"
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