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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    He ran as a conservative and lost
    True. I gave you three current examples and you went back to 1964. What does that tell you?
    He did provide a significant boost to Conservatism and led to Ronald Reagan. So maybe it was not a loss after all.
    One big mistake Reagan made was keeping Bush as his VP. It was his olive branch to the Establishment Republicans. The Bush family undid Reagan's gains.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The landslides have occurred when conservatives ran.
    How big a victory margin did Bob Dole have?
    How big a victory margin did John McCain have?
    How big a victory margin did Mitt Romney have?

    The style of politics you are suggesting will be a winner for us has been tried and it fails.

    Or we can run on name recognition. What does that buy us? If we win we get exactly the same thing the Democrats offer only at a slower rate.
    No Repub would have won in 1996 (Dole). McCain would have won handily in 2000, but was sunk by the economic collapse in 2008. Romney was the wrong candidate in 2012. Had he run in 2012, Mitch Daniels would be POTUS today. Christie embodies the wisdom of the Buckley rule: the rightmost candidate who can win.
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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Status Quo Republican Liberal. SQRL.
    You should check with NJ Dems re that "status quo" nonsense.
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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No Repub would have won in 1996 (Dole). McCain would have won handily in 2000, but was sunk by the economic collapse in 2008. Romney was the wrong candidate in 2012. Had he run in 2012, Mitch Daniels would be POTUS today. Christie embodies the wisdom of the Buckley rule: the rightmost candidate who can win.
    We should do away with campaigns and with elections. After all, we can just ask you can or cannot win.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You should check with NJ Dems re that "status quo" nonsense.
    Do you mean Christie is not a status quo republican liberal? What does he think about the US Constitution? Did he support the fight against the most tyrannical law we have ever seen in this nation? No? Why not?

    What about the Second Amendment? No?

    Liberal. I will never vote for him. He is just like his brother Obama.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We should do away with campaigns and with elections. After all, we can just ask you can or cannot win.
    On the contrary, if I did not think elections are important then I would not be spending time in this discussion.
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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you mean Christie is not a status quo republican liberal? What does he think about the US Constitution? Did he support the fight against the most tyrannical law we have ever seen in this nation? No? Why not?

    What about the Second Amendment? No?

    Liberal. I will never vote for him. He is just like his brother Obama.
    To which law do you refer as "most tyrannical?" No, Christie is not a liberal of any kind. Constitution? He was a federal prosecutor. Second Amendment? He's very sound.
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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    This whole Christie sub-thread is silly.

    Anyone who claims to be Conservative or Republican and rather than vote for Christie would either ...

    1. sit out an election
    2. vote for Hillary or, God help us, Elizabeth Warren or Biden or etc.
    3. or vote 3rd Party knowing it's the same as (1) or (2)


    is either lying or a fool.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    This whole Christie sub-thread is silly.

    Anyone who claims to be Conservative or Republican and rather than vote for Christie would either ...

    1. sit out an election
    2. vote for Hillary or, God help us, Elizabeth Warren or Biden or etc.
    3. or vote 3rd Party knowing it's the same as (1) or (2)


    is either lying or a fool.
    I knew many conservatives that sat out this last election because of Romney and the numbers even showed a decline.

    What makes you think they won't this time with Christie?

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I knew many conservatives that sat out this last election because of Romney and the numbers even showed a decline.

    What makes you think they won't this time with Christie?
    I didn't say some wouldn't.

    Besides ... many should have learned the big lesson after doing that in 2012.

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