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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Historically he is actually correct. For most of our history the House has operated on something more similar to a Parliamentary model, with the powerful speaker enforcing party discipline by controlling committee memberships. Senators have traditionally felt a freer hand, and each individual Senator has wielded more power than members of the other chamber.
    Historically speaking, perhaps, but certainly not lately. Generally speaking, if a sizeable part of the Senate caucus is going to speak out against their own party's legislation, they're going to at least get the go-ahead from their party's leader in the chamber.

    Regardless, the whole "which chamber has more freedom to speak" is a moot argument, since it was a stupid example introducted into the earlier discussion.
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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Historically speaking, perhaps, but certainly not lately.
    What - since 2011? maybe.

    Generally speaking, if a sizeable part of the Senate caucus is going to speak out against their own party's legislation, they're going to at least get the go-ahead from their party's leader in the chamber.
    Was that what happened when Bush tried to reform Social Security?

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, because a matter of Senatorial procedure from a center-left party = how the "left" operates on a daily basis.

    There is this pervasive notion that everyone to the "left" of center behaves and operates in the exact same fashion. Neither side is a hivemind.
    The point is that the Left goes after anyone they even perceive has strayed off the reservation.

    Just today I saw they went nuts thinking Richard Cohen in the WAPO said critical things about the new Communist mayor of NYC and his personal life. They were wrong but they had to drag poor Dick back into the fold.

    Another example ... and maybe a more revealing one. You know the D Party is comprised of a pastiche of voting blocks ... blacks being a prominent one ... one that helped launch Obama from community organizer obscurity all the way to the WH. They used race to get him there and they use race to help keep the hounds away from the Oval Office. In order to do that they have to marginalize anyone who tries to leave the plantation.
    example: Ben Carson. Especially Ben Carson. Black, educated, very well spoken, successful, neurosurgeon, critic of Obama.
    They can't tolerate heretics in one of their major voting blocks ... might give the others pause about what they've been told.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Historically speaking, perhaps, but certainly not lately. Generally speaking, if a sizeable part of the Senate caucus is going to speak out against their own party's legislation, they're going to at least get the go-ahead from their party's leader in the chamber.

    Regardless, the whole "which chamber has more freedom to speak" is a moot argument, since it was a stupid example introducted into the earlier discussion.
    Once again, the opposite is closer to the truth in the Senate.
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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You see ... as you describe it, that's a problem.
    What you call your Libertarian views are Conservative views ... except maybe that marriage one which sounds like a stalking horse for the Left.
    So you could have said you are a Left - Conservative ... but I suppose maybe you imagine that would make you sound bi polar or something ... or maybe you just couldn't bring yourself to do it and thought including Libertarian gives you credibility cachet.
    Either way, the Left part of any hybrid Left configuration is always relentlessly on the march since the Left by definition and practice don't tolerate alternative beliefs.
    I love how someone that shows a lean of "undisclosed" is trying to give me a lesson of what I believe in. Tell you what, when you disclose YOUR lean and YOUR views let's talk. Until then I'm quite happy, content, and CORRECT on my lean.

    Your idea of "left" is not only ignorant, but incorrect. Have fun with your rhetroic, it only shows your ignorance and how far from reality you really are. Tell you what, why don't you come back when Rush limpdick tells you to.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The point is that the Left goes after anyone they even perceive has strayed off the reservation.
    Haven't been keeping an eye on the GOP eating their own have you? That is the RIGHT just to let you know. Your ignorance knows NO bounds.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Haven't been keeping an eye on the GOP eating their own have you? That is the RIGHT just to let you know. Your ignorance knows NO bounds.
    Good example ... the Republicans don't agree with each other and it's public.
    The Democrats do it behind Oval Office doors and agree on a strategy to keep the troops in line.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I love how someone that shows a lean of "undisclosed" is
    trying to give me a lesson of what I believe in.
    Tell you what, when you disclose YOUR lean and YOUR views let's talk. Until then I'm quite happy, content, and CORRECT on my lean.

    Your idea of "left" is not only ignorant, but incorrect. Have fun with your rhetroic, it only shows your ignorance and how far from reality you really are. Tell you what, why don't you come back when Rush limpdick tells you to.
    Your own words disclose your confusion ... I just repeated them.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Your own words disclose your confusion ... I just repeated them.
    I have no confussion, the confusion is on YOU. BTW what's YOUR views and YOUR lean? Are you afraid to disclose? Yep, you are.

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    Re: Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Good example ... the Republicans don't agree with each other and it's public.
    The Democrats do it behind Oval Office doors and agree on a strategy to keep the troops in line.
    In other words, you were wrong as usual with your pathetic rhetoric. It's amusing to see you show your ignorance to everyone.

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