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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Why?

    Because one company didn't like what their employees did?

    Or did NSA agents turn up and take him away, torture him, arrest his entire family and eventually have him executed (Like what would happen in a country that really had no freedom of expression).

    Far right wingers like yourself can never seem to get enough of feeling victimized by something or other.
    So now we judge success of our freedom of expression by the standards of the third world? Brilliant.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A clown was banned because he wore an Obama mask and now a fuss is made about someone else wearing an Obama mask. Now the Bill of Rights has to be trotted out, definitions given, and laws have to be looked at just because a couple of people wore Presidential masks to events which were just designed to be fun.

    We certainly live in uptight times.
    This was a PRIVATE Companies rules. Let me ask you, can you call your boss an asshole and not expect consequences? Does that mean they have hindered your free speech because you can't call your boss an asshole without consequences?

    Same thing here, if you break the rules you face the consequences. This is no more a case of free speech being hindered than it is calling your boss an asshole and then crying that your free speech is being hindered.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    This was a PRIVATE Companies rules. Let me ask you, can you call your boss an asshole and not expect consequences? Does that mean they have hindered your free speech because you can't call your boss an asshole without consequences?

    Same thing here, if you break the rules you face the consequences. This is no more a case of free speech being hindered than it is calling your boss an asshole and then crying that your free speech is being hindered.
    I don't believe that it was private company rules that were in question. The incident occurred at a private company party where everyone, or at least most, were fine with it, and awarded them third prize. The company was fine with it until some black preacher, who was not in attendance, nor had any real interest, claimed he was offended, and spoke out a few days later. Company then changed the rules retroactively.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I don't believe that it was private company rules that were in question. The incident occurred at a private company party where everyone, or at least most, were fine with it, and awarded them third prize. The company was fine with it until some black preacher, who was not in attendance, nor had any real interest, claimed he was offended, and spoke out a few days later. Company then changed the rules retroactively.
    Again, if they were representing their company in ANY fashion whatsover, the company has a right to step in. I'll give an example, if I go to someplace with a group of Co-workers and reserve a spot under the company name, we are representing the company. The company I had worked for had strict rules to not do anything in the companies name that would embarrass or cause harm to the company.

    Now if this was a group of people that reserved a place under someone elses name and the company was not mentioned AT ALL, then I would agree with the costume people. But given what I have read, they in fact were representing the company.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, if they were representing their company in ANY fashion whatsover, the company has a right to step in. I'll give an example, if I go to someplace with a group of Co-workers and reserve a spot under the company name, we are representing the company. The company I had worked for had strict rules to not do anything in the companies name that would embarrass or cause harm to the company.

    Now if this was a group of people that reserved a place under someone elses name and the company was not mentioned AT ALL, then I would agree with the costume people. But given what I have read, they in fact were representing the company.
    Again, they weren't representing their company. They were at a private party. AFIK, no one at the party has claimed to be offended.

    Doesn't matter who funded the party. The offendee sure as hell didn't.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Again, they weren't representing their company. They were at a private party. AFIK, no one at the party has claimed to be offended.

    Doesn't matter who funded the party. The offendee sure as hell didn't.
    If they were someplace where they were representing their company (i.e. they reserved a place for "<insert company here> Costume Party) they were in fact representing the company. It doesn't matter if the attendees weren't offended, it matters what the company thinks of it.

    If I grab two Co-workers and go down to a bar, get drunk and crazy, most likely nothing will happen. However, if I go to the bar and reserve a spot for "<Insert Company Here> Costume Party" I am now representing my company and need to act accordingly.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If soeech is subject to repercussion, then it's not free.
    If speech is not subject to repercussion you're restricting someone elses ability to speak.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    It's a simple question really....

    If you're a business owner and you're hosting a company halloween party and someone comes dressed in KKK robes with a sign saying "Typical Tea Bagger", and it causes one of your potential customers whose at the party to be offended, do you as a business owner have a right to fire an employee you feel harmed your company? Or do you, as a business owner, not have the right to choose to cease employing one of your workers?

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    There was a Tory MP not so long ago who was fired when pictures appeared of a stag party in France showing him sitting beside another partygoer in Nazi uniform. Some might see no problem at all, some might call it guilt by association, but the party didn't want the association to be made, so there he was, gone.
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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There was a Tory MP not so long ago who was fired when pictures appeared of a stag party in France showing him sitting beside another partygoer in Nazi uniform. Some might see no problem at all, some might call it guilt by association, but the party didn't want the association to be made, so there he was, gone.
    But it was OK for prince Harry to wear a Nazi uniform.

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