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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, are you saying that free speech really isnt an inalienable right; more of a privilage?
    No, I'm saying "free speech" doesn't mean "free from reprucussion".

    Every man has the inalienable freedom to free speech. NO ONE has the inalienable right to freedom of speech free from reprucussion.

    Through the social contract of our constitution sets out to prevent THE GOVERNMENT from restricting ones speech. It establishes no such restrictions upon INDIVIDUALS, in part because to do so would be restricting speech.

    Dressing as obama in a straight jacket is this using his freedom of "speech" in the understanding of it meaning "expression".

    Similarly, the BUSINESS OWNER taking action against his EMPLOYEE is also engaging in his freedom of expression.

    Neither are the government, and neither are infringing upon the other persons rights, and both are exercising their own rights.

    Seriously, don't try that grade school civics **** with me thinking I'm someone that doesn't understand the difference. I damn well know the difference, and you questioning that isn't going to magically make me live in a world of make believe where the inalienable right to free speech is one that is free from reprucussion and is able to restrict other private citizens own right to free speech and expression.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, I'm saying "free speech" doesn't mean "free from reprucussion".

    Every man has the inalienable freedom to free speech. NO ONE has the inalienable right to freedom of speech free from reprucussion.

    Through the social contract of our constitution sets out to prevent THE GOVERNMENT from restricting ones speech. It establishes no such restrictions upon INDIVIDUALS, in part because to do so would be restricting speech.

    Dressing as obama in a straight jacket is this using his freedom of "speech" in the understanding of it meaning "expression".

    Similarly, the BUSINESS OWNER taking action against his EMPLOYEE is also engaging in his freedom of expression.

    Neither are the government, and neither are infringing upon the other persons rights, and both are exercising their own rights.

    Seriously, don't try that grade school civics **** with me thinking I'm someone that doesn't understand the difference. I damn well know the difference, and you questioning that isn't going to magically make me live in a world of make believe where the inalienable right to free speech is one that is free from reprucussion and is able to restrict other private citizens own right to free speech and expression.
    If soeech is subject to repercussion, then it's not free.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If soeech is subject to repercussion, then it's not free.
    Wrong. Again.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If speech is subject to repercussion, then it's not free.
    The limitations of freedom of speech are well documented by SCOTUS:

    First Amendment and the Meaning of "Free Speech"

    The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. It ensures against governmental intrusions on the essential personal freedoms - freedom of religion: freedom of the press; free expression; freedom of association; and, freedom of assembly. Regarding free expression, “Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech”. The Courts have interpreted the language to mean that no arm of the government, federal or state, can abridge the free speech right. In this context, MSU is an arm of state government.


    What does the right of free expression encompass?
    The government may not: a) prohibit one’s own expression; b) prevent one from receiving another’s expression; c) compel one to express certain views; d) foster adherence to an ideological viewpoint; or, e) compel one to subsidize speech to which one objects. It is the right to express one’s beliefs, without any form of governmental interference, that is at the heart of “free speech.”
    What Does Free Speech Mean?

    Freedom of speech does not include the right:

    To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “[S]hout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”).
    Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
    To make or distribute obscene materials.
    Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
    To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
    United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
    To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
    Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
    Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
    Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
    Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
    Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007).
    By the business world:

    Where Free Speech Goes to Die: The Workplace - Businessweek

    In America you can say pretty much whatever you want, wherever you want to say it. Unless, that is, you’re at work. Simply put, there is no First Amendment right to “free speech” in the workplace—potentially perilous for many employees in a polarized political year with a tight presidential race.

    Employers have the right to take action against any employee who engages in political speech that company leaders find offensive.
    With a few narrow exceptions the Constitution and the federal laws derived from it only protect a person’s right to expression from government interference, not from the restrictions a private employer may impose, lawyers say.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Actually, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, since the First Amendment says absolutely nothing about a private company's right to enforce standards.
    And seems private company didnt have any rules as to what was off limits before the fuss from the NAACP.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Wrong. Again.
    but he is free to express such foolish ****
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The limitations of freedom of speech are well documented by SCOTUS:

    First Amendment and the Meaning of "Free Speech"



    What Does Free Speech Mean?



    By the business world:

    Where Free Speech Goes to Die: The Workplace - Businessweek
    Libbos don't believe in freedom, so I'll never expect you to agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Libbos don't believe in freedom, so I'll never expect you to agree.
    Yeah... I'm sure BusinessWeek is full of "libbos". Don't let the facts hurt you apdst.
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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, are you saying that free speech really isnt an inalienable right; more of a privilage?
    Can you call your boss an asshole without consequences?

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    Re: 'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Can you call your boss an asshole without consequences?
    A clown was banned because he wore an Obama mask and now a fuss is made about someone else wearing an Obama mask. Now the Bill of Rights has to be trotted out, definitions given, and laws have to be looked at just because a couple of people wore Presidential masks to events which were just designed to be fun.

    We certainly live in uptight times.

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