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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's not a personal attack, it's the truth. Your position is completely hypocritical. You just want to discriminate against gays.

    You also have a reading comprehension problem if you think what I said was an admission of defeat bigot.
    It is an admission of defeat and there is nothing hypocritical in my position. If you want an effective solution, then it becomes a solution that requires government actors. The Trial Lawyers make a lot of money off sheeple. Businesses have insurance against lawsuits. Businesses fear having a state investigator walk through their front door by a magnitude of 10 over being sued. Most state investigators do not confine themselves to the original complaint, and true or not, there is a perception that they will not leave until they find something whether that be in the business or in the owners/managers of the businesses personal business. I proposed an effective solution. You support a symbolic, piecemeal solution. Your ignorance of business concerns is the root of YOUR hypocrisy and YOUR comprehension problems. You were defeated before you ever responded. Have a blessed day.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's was '64. What happens to a business that discriminates against a member of a protected group? What is the reason for that?
    I stand corrected, by a year.
    what happens? the business gets sued and/or pays a fine.
    What's the reason? To prevent discrimination, of course. It used to be quite legal to have an all white male workforce, and some companies did exactly that.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The question isn't whether conceptions of African Americans impacted politics, but rather if the 3/5 compromise was actually a statement that suggested either: 1) Black people are 3/5 a person 2) Slaves are 3/5 people, instead of "slaves for purposes of Representation, shall count as 3/5 per any other freeman." There's a significant difference. The implication you raise is that had the number been lower, this would have accounted for an even lower opinion of black persons, when in fact, it would have held significance in states which had wanted to use its slave population to advance its aims in maintaining or expanding the institution of slavery and related interests. The lower the number, the more anti-slavery, or particularly northern interests would have been served.
    I think you're splitting hairs. Yes, I get it. The pro-slavery South had an interest in slaves being seen as being worth the same as freemen which is in contradiction to the belief that they arrived at such a number in order to lessen the... let's call it... "human worth" of slaves - however, we all know that in the end there was an agreement on the worth of a slave and that worth was 3/5ths of a free man. That aside, it could easily be argued that the societal opinions and effects which resulted from the compromise were equal to those which would have existed if the compromised had been created with the goal of "lessening" the worth of slaves. I'm not sure if I'm making sense - I have the idea in my head, I'm just not sure whether it's working on writing.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think you're splitting hairs. Yes, I get it. The pro-slavery South had an interest in slaves being seen as being worth the same as freemen which is in contradiction to the belief that they arrived at such a number in order to lessen the... let's call it... "human worth" of slaves - however, we all know that in the end there was an agreement on the worth of a slave and that worth was 3/5ths of a free man. That aside, it could easily be argued that the societal opinions and effects which resulted from the compromise were equal to those which would have existed if the compromised had been created with the goal of "lessening" the worth of slaves. I'm not sure if I'm making sense - I have the idea in my head, I'm just not sure whether it's working on writing.
    There is, without doubt, questions about the sincerity of Americans (white that were granted citizenship) toward African Americans. Without question. The problem with using the 3/5 compromise to indict the Constitution for being pro-slavery or anti-black in that particular manner is isn't a particularly good example. A better argument surrounding the 3/5 compromise would be that by even allowing 60% to be counted, the Constitution was enabling/certifying slavery. The other side of that debate would of course argue that it was not 100%, therefore this was a victory.

    If we are to make the point that those in power viewed the black man and woman in lesser terms, we would have an assortment of workable examples. This compromise has concepts that may mirror societal viewpoints, but its intent and outcome do not really support the argument commonly made.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think you're splitting hairs. Yes, I get it. The pro-slavery South had an interest in slaves being seen as being worth the same as freemen which is in contradiction to the belief that they arrived at such a number in order to lessen the... let's call it... "human worth" of slaves - however, we all know that in the end there was an agreement on the worth of a slave and that worth was 3/5ths of a free man. That aside, it could easily be argued that the societal opinions and effects which resulted from the compromise were equal to those which would have existed if the compromised had been created with the goal of "lessening" the worth of slaves. I'm not sure if I'm making sense - I have the idea in my head, I'm just not sure whether it's working on writing.
    I think it began sooner than the 3/5th compromise. Early on, it was different. One of the first colonial slave owners was black and I have seen it cited that 20% of blacks owned their own homes, married white women, etc in settlement times, but then they were deemed "aliens" so the land could be taken from them by others who wanted it. It is always more about greed and who has the most power. The rest is just how they sell it to people. Whites suffered under indentured servitude and peonage as well. money wins. money always wins.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    I see this thread, originally about discrimination against gays in employment, has morphed into one about slavery and the 3/5 compromise. Now, that gives me an idea: Why not make gay marriage worth 3/5 of a regular marriage? Now, that ought to keep everyone happy, right?
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