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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So it's your logic that it is a violation of human rights not to be able to discriminate gays, blacks, etc.

    Got it
    Learn the rhetorical trade. According to many, chattel slavery is as bad as being taxed unfairly or being told that you can't discriminate.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you are for discrimination. Is it just cause you are for discrimination against gays or are you for conservatives, Christians, blacks and women being discriminated as well?
    I am opposed to creating more individual causes of action. If society deems that a group should be shielded then it is society that is offended when those laws are broken and society through government is the one that should be enforcing the laws and doling out the punishment and receiving the funds if any are to be collected. If it does not rise to the level of requiring government intervention, then it is a harmless wrong in relation to society.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes, it is. It's one of the most common things Professors have to clear up in any undergraduate history course. Willing it to mean otherwise won't change it.
    If history professors are explaining that the three-fifths compromise was purely economic and had absolutely nothing to do with the human condition of slaves then: a.) those professors are ****ing idiots and b.) no wonder this country ranks so low in education.

    Let me ask you, professor, what was it about the "human condition" of slaves, black slaves, that allowed for them to be explained away as three-fifths of a person for representational purposes?

    Was it "nothing"?

    Nothing at all about their "condition"?

    Jesus Christ, I honestly hope you don't teach history for a living.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    If history professors are explaining that the three-fifths compromise was purely economic and had absolutely nothing to do with the human condition of slaves then: a.) those professors are ****ing idiots and b.) no wonder this country ranks so low in education.
    Your interpretation of what it meant was simply incorrect. If you have a problem with the entire historical community, then that's your business. It mostly means that you're just flat out wrong.

    Jesus Christ, I honestly hope you don't teach history for a living.
    Be prepared to be irritated.

    I can say this with certainty, however. I bet you don't.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I am opposed to creating more individual causes of action. If society deems that a group should be shielded then it is society that is offended when those laws are broken and society through government is the one that should be enforcing the laws and doling out the punishment and receiving the funds if any are to be collected. If it does not rise to the level of requiring government intervention, then it is a harmless wrong in relation to society.
    In other words, you're just pissed you won't be able to discriminate against gays. You have no problem with "protections" with groups you agree with.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Your interpretation of what it meant was simply incorrect. If you have a problem with the entire historical community, then that's your business. It mostly means that you're just flat out wrong.
    I'll tell you man, my undergrad degree is in history and in all my schooling I never had a history professor who was so myopic that (s)he didn't take the context of the society and culture in which historical incidents occurred into account.

    I mean, I'm sure I could call one of them on the phone today and ask the same questions I've been asking you here and any one of them would tell me, "Sure, of course early American society's views of African American slaves played a huge role in the manner in which they were handled politically".

    So while there may be some small, pedagogical segment of the "entire historical community" that seems to believe that history occurs in a vacuum or a silo I think that by and large most of them are just better thinkers than that.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Learn the rhetorical trade. According to many, chattel slavery is as bad as being taxed unfairly or being told that you can't discriminate.
    I didn't say it was as bad as chattel slavery.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'll tell you man, my undergrad degree is in history and in all my schooling I never had a history professor who was so myopic that (s)he didn't take the context of the society and culture in which historical incidents occurred into account.

    I mean, I'm sure I could call one of them on the phone today and ask the same questions I've been asking you here and any one of them would tell me, "Sure, of course early American society's views of African American slaves played a huge role in the manner in which they were handled politically".

    So while there may be some small, pedagogical segment of the "entire historical community" that seems to believe that history occurs in a vacuum or a silo I think that by and large most of them are just better thinkers than that.
    The question isn't whether conceptions of African Americans impacted politics, but rather if the 3/5 compromise was actually a statement that suggested either: 1) Black people are 3/5 a person 2) Slaves are 3/5 people, instead of "slaves for purposes of Representation, shall count as 3/5 per any other freeman." There's a significant difference. The implication you raise is that had the number been lower, this would have accounted for an even lower opinion of black persons, when in fact, it would have held significance in states which had wanted to use its slave population to advance its aims in maintaining or expanding the institution of slavery and related interests. The lower the number, the more anti-slavery, or particularly northern interests would have been served.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    In other words, you're just pissed you won't be able to discriminate against gays. You have no problem with "protections" with groups you agree with.
    So you cannot find anything wrong with my position, so you have to resort to baseless personal attacks. Thanks for admitting your defeat on the issue.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So you cannot find anything wrong with my position, so you have to resort to baseless personal attacks. Thanks for admitting your defeat on the issue.
    It's not a personal attack, it's the truth. Your position is completely hypocritical. You just want to discriminate against gays.

    You also have a reading comprehension problem if you think what I said was an admission of defeat bigot.

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