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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Easy to say if you're a white heterosexual male.

    It's easy to say also if you don't believe that government is the solution to all the ills of society.


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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Easy to say if you are not paying the bills. In a lot of places it is already illegal to ask a job applicant about their sexual orientation but now they would be sued for discriminating based on the unknown answer to a question they cannot even legally ask.

    In most States you can legally ask about sexual orientation and deny employment. Virginia is one of them, there are no LBGT employment protections and Virginia is a right to work state. You can be denied employment for being gay, you can be terminated for being gay and there is no violation of the law.


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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    In most States you can legally ask about sexual orientation and deny employment. Virginia is one of them, there are no LBGT employment protections and Virginia is a right to work state. You can be denied employment for being gay, you can be terminated for being gay and there is no violation of the law.


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    Then move to Michigan or California.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    The one where black people only count as three-fifths of "real" people?
    This is a common, but easily corrected historical misunderstanding.

    Where slaves are accounted representation in government, because they argued that economically, 3 freemen can accomplish the same task as 5 slaves. It was an economic rationale, not a statement of their human condition. The South did not have a large population. It had a massive slave population, however.The benefit of the 3/5 clause transferred to slave-holding states, because without that extra 3/5, their political power would have been significantly diminished.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Then move to Michigan or California.
    So you are for discrimination. Is it just cause you are for discrimination against gays or are you for conservatives, Christians, blacks and women being discriminated as well?

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Then move to Michigan or California.
    Hahaha, are you this ignorant? There is no ENDA protection (or adoption, or marriage, or anything else) in michigan i assure you. Some cities have made their own laws, but good god, comparing it to california? At least bother to look up who shares your bigotry.

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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well, democrats, progressives and socialists adhere to the philosophy of collectivism...
    So did much of your founding generation and the subsequent generations.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Employment discrimination isn't eliminated because of a law. As many know, there can be a severe disconnect between obeying the law and actually hiring a protected-class citizen. Frequently they find a means of obeying the law while still preventing them from being employed. The law should still exist, but let's not pretend that this is somehow complete coercion.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This is a common, but easily corrected historical misunderstanding.

    It was an economic rationale, not a statement of their human condition.
    I don't think it's a misunderstanding at all.

    Their "human condition" was that they were chattel property, little more than animals in the eyes of most early Americans (and arguably most or many Americans in general up until about the 1970s).

    That an "economic rationale" would be the primary determinant of how this country, politically, viewed several million people speaks more to the uncivilized nature of 18th century Americans than any other argument I'd care to make.

    And mind you, I'm not making some bleeding heart, anachronistic argument here for how I (may or may not) think blacks should have been viewed back then.

    I understand that the views those people had and the policy they made consequent to those views was a product of their times. They couldn't have taken a much more "enlightened" view of blacks.

    My point, simply, is that as America continues to civilize and evolve culturally and socially we should expect that our laws relative to equality will civilize and evolve as well.

    When the Founding Fathers were writing the Constitution it would never have occurred to them to insist that all people be treated equally or that it might some day be socially unacceptable to have some Sneeches with stars on their bellies and others without.

    So, to me, saying "Well, the Constitution says nothing about requiring businesses to treat any human being who walks through the door equally" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

    Of course the Constitution doesn't say that.

    In fact it tacks to the polar opposite direction and says "some people are only worth 3/5ths of a person" (the ultimate reason it says that being largely irrelevant).

    Fortunately we have a system of government that allows us to change our laws as our views about people, and how people should be treated, develop.
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    Re: ENDA Now Has The Support Of Every Single Senate Democrat

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I don't think it's a misunderstanding at all.
    Yes, it is. It's one of the most common things Professors have to clear up in any undergraduate history course. Willing it to mean otherwise won't change it.
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