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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    An incompetent, glitch-laden, botched website implementation, people seeing their healthcare costs double or triple, people losing their healthcare plans, etc. are all part of the overall goal of forcing us into their single-payer, "pain to play" system.
    While it is true that in theory a streamlined socialist single-payer system would be better (and actually less socialist) than this mongrel atrocity - and better and less socialist than what we already had before the ACA , I just don't see the Unthinking Left as a legion of selfless kamikaze ready to sacrifice their Congress seats and a whole bunch of other cozy offices to make it happen.

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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'd be very curious to know why the cancellations were handed out. It's easy to screw your customer and blame Obamacare, but it sure would be nice to know how exactly Obamacare forced the companies to cancel plans. My guess is the companies canceled the plans and are using Obamacare as a scapegoat.

    But I'd be willing to listen to whatever the truth is, if only the details were ever reported on this....
    Its illegal to offer those policies under Obamacare. Continueing to offer those policies, knowing they don't meet the Obamacare standard could be considered fraud.
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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    While it is true that in theory a streamlined socialist single-payer system would be better (and actually less socialist) than this mongrel atrocity - and better and less socialist than what we already had before the ACA , I just don't see the Unthinking Left as a legion of selfless kamikaze ready to sacrifice their Congress seats and a whole bunch of other cozy offices to make it happen.
    Hmm, well you're premise presumes in the Unthinking Left a semblance of rational thinking and common sense - none of which I've yet found in them in any discernible measure.
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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is that it?
    I honestly don't know. I just think it might make sense now for insurance companies to discontinue offering individual policies outside of a group.
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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Honest Obama strikes again.

    Change You Can Believe In.
    Yeah, sure. There's another thread where IBM cut benefits and jobs due to Obamacare, never mind the fact that IBM has been doing nothing but slashing benefits and moving jobs overseas for thirty years. And of course companies have been laying off people due to Obamacare since before it was passed. I'm extremely dubious just how many of these jobs lost and policies canceled are actually are because of the PPACA.

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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I honestly don't know. I just think it might make sense now for insurance companies to discontinue offering individual policies outside of a group.
    So, you know even less about your magical law? You didn't know that under Obamascare, that any change to a policy voids it's grandfather status?
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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you know even less about your magical law? You didn't know that under Obamascare, that any change to a policy voids it's grandfather status?
    No, I didn't.

    I don't think the ACA is necessarily the best thing ever, I just try to be as objective and as fair as possible. Is 30 million Americans with no access to healthcare except the ER a problem? Yes. Would I have addressed the problem differently? Yes. Will the ACA improve things? Maybe, time will tell.

    What I find troubling is the culture in Washington where our leaders refuse to work together in the best interest of the country. "The complete repeal of 'Obamacare'" campaign instead of "good initial effort but lets make these adjustments" until its obvious its not going to be repealed for example says to me Republicans are more interested in seeing President Obama go down in history as a failure than working to make life better for the American people. Remember, it was the Republicans who came up with the idea of an individual mandate. I also find it hilarious that the people crying foul that "they" are being forced to buy something they don't want is a lie because they already have health insurance in the vast majority of cases. I find it hilarious that the people supposedly furious that the healthcare.gov website couldn't handle the traffic and crashed never planned to actually use it to get health insurance because they already have health insurance from their jobs in the vast majority of cases. They're just obsessed with bashing anything having to do with the administration. Of course, I'm not talking about all and I'm only sharing my perceptions.

    BTW: I was flicking through channels the other night and saw something very interesting. We've heard the polling data that most Americans are against the ACA and only a minority of Americans actually support it. Guess what? I didn't write down the numbers so these are just best recollection estimates but of the going on 60% of Americans who are against it, close to 20% don't like it because they prefer single payer and don't think it goes far enough. Subtract that +/-20% of single payer advocates that the right assumed were on their side and add it with the +/-40% who say they support the ACA and most Americans are against the political right on healthcare.
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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    No, I didn't.

    I don't think the ACA is necessarily the best thing ever, I just try to be as objective and as fair as possible. Is 30 million Americans with no access to healthcare except the ER a problem? Yes. Would I have addressed the problem differently? Yes. Will the ACA improve things? Maybe, time will tell.

    What I find troubling is the culture in Washington where our leaders refuse to work together in the best interest of the country. "The complete repeal of 'Obamacare'" campaign instead of "good initial effort but lets make these adjustments" until its obvious its not going to be repealed for example says to me Republicans are more interested in seeing President Obama go down in history as a failure than working to make life better for the American people. Remember, it was the Republicans who came up with the idea of an individual mandate. I also find it hilarious that the people crying foul that "they" are being forced to buy something they don't want is a lie because they already have health insurance in the vast majority of cases. I find it hilarious that the people supposedly furious that the healthcare.gov website couldn't handle the traffic and crashed never planned to actually use it to get health insurance because they already have health insurance from their jobs in the vast majority of cases. They're just obsessed with bashing anything having to do with the administration. Of course, I'm not talking about all and I'm only sharing my perceptions.

    BTW: I was flicking through channels the other night and saw something very interesting. We've heard the polling data that most Americans are against the ACA and only a minority of Americans actually support it. Guess what? I didn't write down the numbers so these are just best recollection estimates but of the going on 60% of Americans who are against it, close to 20% don't like it because they prefer single payer and don't think it goes far enough. Subtract that +/-20% of single payer advocates that the right assumed were on their side and add it with the +/-40% who say they support the ACA and most Americans are against the political right on healthcare.
    Isn't necessarily the best thing ever?!?

    It's a goat ****!! And, I believe the American people deserve better.
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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'd be very curious to know why the cancellations were handed out. It's easy to screw your customer and blame Obamacare, but it sure would be nice to know how exactly Obamacare forced the companies to cancel plans. My guess is the companies canceled the plans and are using Obamacare as a scapegoat.

    But I'd be willing to listen to whatever the truth is, if only the details were ever reported on this....
    It's quite simple...the plan they bought, and are happy with, does not meet the ACA guidelines for minimum insurance. So, the 27 year old guy that has, essentially, catastrophe coverage....needs to update his policy so it covers prenatal care, mammograms and IUDs....at a much higher cost.
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    Re: Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    People who are losing their policies should be able to turn around and buy policies via the exchanges.
    That wouldn't exactly fit "If you like your policy, you can keep your policy. Period." now, does it?

    Your point is irrelevant.
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