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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal



    Okay, I examined your link.

    They talked about 200 cases were SYG had been alleged to play a part in the defense... but chose to speak about only 5 cases where someone had gotten off under questionable circumstances.

    If you're remotely familiar with the so-called justice system you'd know that if only 5 people out of 200 get off when they MAYBE shouldn't have... that's actually damn good odds for our fracked up system. I've seen guys walk on technicalities for some pretty messed up stuff.

    This is from the article you referenced and linked to, and it is pertinent:




    The paper identified nearly 200 instances since 2005 where the state’s Stand Your Ground law has played a factor in prosecutors’ decisions, jury acquittals or a judge’s call to throw out the charges. (Not all the cases involved killings. Some involved assaults where the person didn’t die.)





    The law removes a person’s duty to retreat before using deadly force against another in any place he has the legal right to be – so long as he reasonably believed he or someone else faced imminent death or great bodily harm. Among the Stand Your Ground cases identified by the paper, defendants went free nearly 70 percent of the time.

    That means 30% did NOT go free... and we don't know the other 70% probably SHOULD have gone free. The article only discusses five incidents.



    FIVE incidents since 2005 that are questionable do not make for a pandemic that we must panic over. There have been 80,000 homicides in that time period.


    In conclusion, this is not remotely evidence that SYG is some kind of major problem.


    As I said before, any jackass like this one, who clearly does not have both oars in the water, may THINK he can claim SYG and get away with it... does not mean he would have.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    This was in Alabama and the victim was Black. There's a good likelyhood that he would have been found not guilty if he had simply shot the guy.


    Ah yes... the thread would not be complete, after all, without some egregious and baseless South-bashing and assumptions that we're all racist hicks. :roll

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Most people are horrible shots, and you're ignoring the potential for witnesses and other evidence. You don't just say "I stood my ground" and magically avoid prison time.

    If you're going to use a word like "usually," I presume you have some kind of factual basis for your statement. Do you?

    Obviously not.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If this were to have happen in NYC, Chicago, los Angels, etc. the undercover FBI agent would have probably identified himself as being a SEIU thug.
    Yeah, because there's a real equivalence between the KKK and the SEIU.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So he hired a Democrat ?

    Because the KKK is exclusive to the same party that filibustered the voting rights act in 1964.
    What a colossal display of historical ignorance. You really think the KKK still identifies with the Democratic party? Are you completely unaware of the shift in party ideologies regarding civil rights?

    Support for the 1964 CRA wasn't divided on political lines, it was divided on geographic lines. Northern Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly supported it; Southern Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly opposed it.

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

    The original House version:

    Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
    Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

    Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
    Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
    Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
    Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
    Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Y
    es yes, just like all whites are slave owners because some whites used to own slaves, and all "Conservatives" are idiots because some "Conservatives" can't rise above grade-school trolling.
    Thats not trolling, THAT'S the truth.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Thats not trolling, THAT'S the truth.
    As Kobie eloquently pointed out in great detail, you and every other grade-school troll on the subject has oversimplified the Democrat opposition to civil rights legislation, and tried to hang that sin around the necks of all modern Democrats. That is exactly the same as hanging slavery around the necks of all white people today, and that's why it is trolling.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    As Kobie eloquently pointed out in great detail, you and every other grade-school troll on the subject has oversimplified the Democrat opposition to civil rights legislation, and tried to hang that sin around the necks of all modern Democrats. That is exactly the same as hanging slavery around the necks of all white people today, and that's why it is trolling.
    It's a painfully intellectually dishonest tactic. That doesn't seem to bother those who use it. Someone needs to remind them what party Strom Thurmond belonged to when the old bastard finally kicked it.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    There should be an IQ test for anyone who says the words "stand your ground".

    I still know of some complete mental asswipes who think that TM/GZ was about SYG.

    And to think - they're allowed to run loose without medication. That's scarier than this story.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So I find this story interesting for a variety of reasons. Here is are the main points:

    An Alabama man admitted Thursday to trying to hire a man he believed was a Ku Klux Klansman to kill his neighbor, who is black and a registered sex offender.

    Authorities said Morgan told agents that he’d tried to “force a confrontation” with his neighbor Aug. 22 by firing “multiple rounds of ammunition” at him on the street outside their homes.

    Agents said the man ran away, and Morgan assumed he must be guilty of raping his wife because the neighbor did not try to stand his ground or reason with him.

    An undercover FBI agent called Morgan a short time later, identified himself as a Klansman and asked him whether he wanted to “murder” his neighbor.

    Morgan was arrested after the meeting and confessed that he’d wanted to hire hitmen to kill his neighbors.


    First of all WOW, what an idiot. The points I find interesting are

    1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
    2. I am, of course, very troubled by the presence and seemingly casual acceptance of the KKK being avaible for hire to kill but there is not enough in the story about that issue to address it here or support my thinking about it being commonplace.
    3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
    4. The technique the police used to set him up. I have a problem with this one. The guy is clearly an idiot but who knows if, in time ,he wouldn't have calmed down and let it go. Seems like the police forced the issue by offering him the service of a hit man.

    Tell me what you think.

    Here is a link to the Alabama SYG law Alabama Stand Your Ground - Castle Doctrine Law

    The story Alabama man admits to hiring ‘Klansman’ to hang black neighbor ‘like an animal’ | The Raw Story
    I also read MSM reports about people who commit crimes and claim "the devil made me do it."

    BTW, as an active Libertarian/Classical Liberal and proud member of the Tea Party I have NEVER EVER met anyone who claimed to be a member of a "white supremacist" organization...

    I love how you progressives attempt to make it seem as if the KKK or other white supremacist organizations could be housed up right next door....

    Honestly, I have no flipping clue as to who would just randomly believe some "odd looking white guy" would be a member of the KKK other than a paranoid progressive.

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