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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    There is this:
    Morgan, of Munford, Ala., said he believed the neighbor had raped his wife sometime in August.
    What is the point here? He thought??? Unless the wife is dead there is a way to get at least a little more confirmation on that suspicion. Even if he did, he should not take the law into his own hands. I can understand wanting to, but if we start justifying revenge killings were are in for a lot of trouble.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Exactly. One guy looking out his window, one wrong statement, one bit of physical evidence that doesn't corroborate, and he's in big trouble.



    It is virtually a UNIVERSAL in American Jurisprudence that to claim self-defense you must be "without legal fault in creating the incident". In other words you can't break into someone's house, or start a gunfight with someone in the absence of threat, and then claim "I was standing my ground".


    Now Florida, to my knowledge alone among the states, has a much looser interpretation of this than is typical... but that's Florida. There's no need to act like it is a national pandemic as some are doing.


    In my state, like most, "stand your ground" is a BAD MEDIA HYPE QUOTE for simply removing the "duty to retreat" before using lethal force, which is a rational legal position to remove a non-feasible requirement from honest citizens who are already in the middle of some bad ****.


    Just because Florida is crazy, don't tar every other state's law with the same brush y'all.
    Florida's interpretation is not much different than any other state's. Should be Federal law, as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The guy's an idiot. He's a bigoted, prejudiced fool who tried to commit a murder for hire. Glad he'll be spending some time in jail.
    It's funny. The part of the story that bothered me most is that, yes he is a bigoted idiot, but look at the way he got caught. Unless the article is leaving something out, which we both know it very well could be, it sounds like entrapment. I would like to know what prompted the call to this guy from the FBI agent.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    It's funny. The part of the story that bothered me most is that, yes he is a bigoted idiot, but look at the way he got caught. Unless the article is leaving something out, which we both know it very well could be, it sounds like entrapment. I would like to know what prompted the call to this guy from the FBI agent.
    I'd imagine he blabbed his intention all over the place. Most of these idiots are set up for stings because they ask a friend(s) if they know anyone . . . or even if they'll do it. And somebody gets nervous...or has a bone to pick with the guy...or is looking for favors from law enforcement. We're only reading the tip of the iceberg here, I'm sure. These kinds of stings are on tape . . . the perp has to be very specific . . . is generally given a soft opportunity to call it off. We just don't know enough, in my opinion.

    But I know the FBI didn't just point to his name in the phone book. Ha!

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Exactly. When this law was all over the site because the the Trayvon Martin case I saw several examples of it being used to mask intent by the shooter and get then...get them off the hook.
    Not if they got off the "hook" you didn't.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd imagine he blabbed his intention all over the place. Most of these idiots are set up for stings because they ask a friend(s) if they know anyone . . . or even if they'll do it. And somebody gets nervous...or has a bone to pick with the guy...or is looking for favors from law enforcement. We're only reading the tip of the iceberg here, I'm sure. These kinds of stings are on tape . . . the perp has to be very specific . . . is generally given a soft opportunity to call it off. We just don't know enough, in my opinion.

    But I know the FBI didn't just point to his name in the phone book. Ha!
    I hear you and I agree. It is most likely that he was asking around about it and the FBI caught wind of it. It concerns me, but this is exactly what I expect will come out later.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hold the phone and everybody chill.


    "stand your ground" isn't going to protect you if you STARTED the shootout.
    This was in Alabama and the victim was Black. There's a good likelyhood that he would have been found not guilty if he had simply shot the guy.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hold the phone and everybody chill.


    "stand your ground" isn't going to protect you if you STARTED the shootout.


    Just because some dumbass whose elevator OBVIOUSLY does NOT go all the way to the top floor THINKS it would, does not mean it would.


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    Except with stand your ground protection, usually only one of the parties is left to testify about what happened. And I bet they testify that the other guy started the violence. Zimmerman anybody?

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Except with stand your ground protection, usually only one of the parties is left to testify about what happened. And I bet they testify that the other guy started the violence. Zimmerman anybody?
    Most people are horrible shots, and you're ignoring the potential for witnesses and other evidence. You don't just say "I stood my ground" and magically avoid prison time.

    If you're going to use a word like "usually," I presume you have some kind of factual basis for your statement. Do you?
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Most people are horrible shots, and you're ignoring the potential for witnesses and other evidence. You don't just say "I stood my ground" and magically avoid prison time.

    If you're going to use a word like "usually," I presume you have some kind of factual basis for your statement. Do you?
    I've never seen a more misunderstood law in my life as Stand Your Ground. People really need to get a grip. Stand Your Ground laws simply means that the last man standing can't be prosecuted for not having retreated. "Why didn't he just run??" That...and most states include that civil suit can't be brought in that case either.

    Without it? That's how we have a situation like Illinois has right now. (We don't have a SYG law here.) If someone kicks in your front door in the middle of the night, you can shoot 'em and be pretty safe that you're not going to be prosecuted. If, however, he picks your lock? Sans him having a firearm? You run the risk of prosecution.

    And, of course, the notorious lawsuits where a robber is shot and he or his family file suit that the homeowner used undue force. Lawsuits that are/were often won, by the way.

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