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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Exactly. When this law was all over the site because the the Trayvon Martin case I saw several examples of it being used to mask intent by the shooter and get then...get them off the hook.

    You saw several ATTEMPTS to use the law this way... I doubt many were successful.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's what I was thinking -- the perp would be relying on being the only one left alive to tell the story, one witness or piece of contradictory evidence would prove the story false.

    Exactly. One guy looking out his window, one wrong statement, one bit of physical evidence that doesn't corroborate, and he's in big trouble.



    It is virtually a UNIVERSAL in American Jurisprudence that to claim self-defense you must be "without legal fault in creating the incident". In other words you can't break into someone's house, or start a gunfight with someone in the absence of threat, and then claim "I was standing my ground".


    Now Florida, to my knowledge alone among the states, has a much looser interpretation of this than is typical... but that's Florida. There's no need to act like it is a national pandemic as some are doing.


    In my state, like most, "stand your ground" is a BAD MEDIA HYPE QUOTE for simply removing the "duty to retreat" before using lethal force, which is a rational legal position to remove a non-feasible requirement from honest citizens who are already in the middle of some bad ****.


    Just because Florida is crazy, don't tar every other state's law with the same brush y'all.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So he hired a Democrat ?

    Because the KKK is exclusive to the same party that filibustered the voting rights act in 1964.

    All those racists democrats left the party and became republicans.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just because it MAY (possibly, we don't know) have happened in the Z/M case does not mean it is happening all over the country like an epidemic.

    If you have stats proving that, post them.
    Really don't want this thread to end up on that forum so I won't go there. I have posted examples of cases where the shooter provoked the confrontation and still got off there are others where the shooter was clearly defending themselves and did not get off. It is my understanding that how the law is written changes from state to state and some are just poorly written.

    And I am not jump on the panic band wagon kind of person. My opinion on this issue is informed.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So I find this story interesting for a variety of reasons. Here is are the main points:

    An Alabama man admitted Thursday to trying to hire a man he believed was a Ku Klux Klansman to kill his neighbor, who is black and a registered sex offender.

    Authorities said Morgan told agents that he’d tried to “force a confrontation” with his neighbor Aug. 22 by firing “multiple rounds of ammunition” at him on the street outside their homes.

    Agents said the man ran away, and Morgan assumed he must be guilty of raping his wife because the neighbor did not try to stand his ground or reason with him.

    An undercover FBI agent called Morgan a short time later, identified himself as a Klansman and asked him whether he wanted to “murder” his neighbor.

    Morgan was arrested after the meeting and confessed that he’d wanted to hire hitmen to kill his neighbors.


    First of all WOW, what an idiot. The points I find interesting are

    1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
    2. I am, of course, very troubled by the presence and seemingly casual acceptance of the KKK being avaible for hire to kill but there is not enough in the story about that issue to address it here or support my thinking about it being commonplace.
    3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
    4. The technique the police used to set him up. I have a problem with this one. The guy is clearly an idiot but who knows if, in time ,he wouldn't have calmed down and let it go. Seems like the police forced the issue by offering him the service of a hit man.

    Tell me what you think.

    Here is a link to the Alabama SYG law Alabama Stand Your Ground - Castle Doctrine Law

    The story Alabama man admits to hiring ‘Klansman’ to hang black neighbor ‘like an animal’ | The Raw Story
    I agree, what an idiot. He could of gotten one of the local welfare gangs to do it cheaper and more reliably.
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Exactly. One guy looking out his window, one wrong statement, one bit of physical evidence that doesn't corroborate, and he's in big trouble.



    It is virtually a UNIVERSAL in American Jurisprudence that to claim self-defense you must be "without legal fault in creating the incident". In other words you can't break into someone's house, or start a gunfight with someone in the absence of threat, and then claim "I was standing my ground".


    Now Florida, to my knowledge alone among the states, has a much looser interpretation of this than is typical... but that's Florida. There's no need to act like it is a national pandemic as some are doing.


    In my state, like most, "stand your ground" is a BAD MEDIA HYPE QUOTE for simply removing the "duty to retreat" before using lethal force, which is a rational legal position to remove a non-feasible requirement from honest citizens who are already in the middle of some bad ****.


    Just because Florida is crazy, don't tar every other state's law with the same brush y'all.
    Here are some examples-

    Five ‘Stand Your Ground’ Cases You Should Know About - ProPublica

    5 "Stand Your Ground" Cases You Should Know About | Mother Jones
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Who's the bad guy in this story?

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
    There is this:
    Morgan, of Munford, Ala., said he believed the neighbor had raped his wife sometime in August.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Who's the bad guy in this story?
    Is that a real question??? Or is this just a drive-by
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    Re: Alabama Man Hires KKK member to Kill Neighbor like an Animal

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So I find this story interesting for a variety of reasons. Here is are the main points:

    An Alabama man admitted Thursday to trying to hire a man he believed was a Ku Klux Klansman to kill his neighbor, who is black and a registered sex offender.

    Authorities said Morgan told agents that he’d tried to “force a confrontation” with his neighbor Aug. 22 by firing “multiple rounds of ammunition” at him on the street outside their homes.

    Agents said the man ran away, and Morgan assumed he must be guilty of raping his wife because the neighbor did not try to stand his ground or reason with him.

    An undercover FBI agent called Morgan a short time later, identified himself as a Klansman and asked him whether he wanted to “murder” his neighbor.

    Morgan was arrested after the meeting and confessed that he’d wanted to hire hitmen to kill his neighbors.


    First of all WOW, what an idiot. The points I find interesting are

    1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
    2. I am, of course, very troubled by the presence and seemingly casual acceptance of the KKK being avaible for hire to kill but there is not enough in the story about that issue to address it here or support my thinking about it being commonplace.
    3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
    4. The technique the police used to set him up. I have a problem with this one. The guy is clearly an idiot but who knows if, in time ,he wouldn't have calmed down and let it go. Seems like the police forced the issue by offering him the service of a hit man.

    Tell me what you think.

    Here is a link to the Alabama SYG law Alabama Stand Your Ground - Castle Doctrine Law

    The story Alabama man admits to hiring ‘Klansman’ to hang black neighbor ‘like an animal’ | The Raw Story
    The guy's an idiot. He's a bigoted, prejudiced fool who tried to commit a murder for hire. Glad he'll be spending some time in jail.

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