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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Waaaaaaaaaaaa, working people are so pampered in our society! We need to hurt them some way, pronto.
    Unions aren't working people. They are thugs that abuse working people for the gain of the union bosses and their political masters.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Thank you, but providing a copy of the law does not answer the question of if unions are in compliance every time they make a donation, and if not, is this selective enforcement.
    Well saying they are not getting investigated or charged with anything i would say the answer is they follow the law.


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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do we really? I bet you weren't bitching about this, much...

    Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations
    You bet. I personally believe elections should be federally financed.


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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You bet. I personally believe elections should be federally financed.
    I don't! That's the worst idea I've ever heard. Government bureaucrats are the last mother****ers that get to decide who runs for office.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't! That's the worst idea I've ever heard. Government bureaucrats are the last mother****ers that get to decide who runs for office.
    How does that decide who gets to run for office? Its simply funded by government money. A system like they have in the UK.


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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How does that decide who gets to run for office? Its simply funded by government money. A system like they have in the UK.
    Who gets to run? Any swinging dick? Looks like a waste of money, to me...a waste of MY money.

    Screw that. You wanna run for office? Go scrounge up your own money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who gets to run? Any swinging dick? Looks like a waste of money, to me...a waste of MY money.

    Screw that. You wanna run for office? Go scrounge up your own money.
    Its called a "clean election" system.
    Under a "clean elections" system, candidates wishing to receive government financing collect a certain number of small "qualifying contributions" (often as little as $5) from registered voters. If they collect enough of these qualifying contributions, they are then paid a flat sum by the government to run their campaigns, and agree not to raise any other money from private sources.


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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its called a "clean election" system.
    Under a "clean elections" system, candidates wishing to receive government financing collect a certain number of small "qualifying contributions" (often as little as $5) from registered voters. If they collect enough of these qualifying contributions, they are then paid a flat sum by the government to run their campaigns, and agree not to raise any other money from private sources.
    What makes it, "clean"? That's an oxymoron...lol!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What makes it, "clean"? That's an oxymoron...lol!
    Thats what its called.


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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who gets to run? Any swinging dick? Looks like a waste of money, to me...a waste of MY money.

    Screw that. You wanna run for office? Go scrounge up your own money.
    Some countries have non-partisan oversight. An agency who's job it is to ensure that elections are fair and that all parties follow the rules.

    The rules include things like
    maximum individual contributions.
    maximum spending by any party
    where voting stations are located, how many there are, who mans voting stations and how they are trained
    what hours the voting stations open
    what the rules are for early voting among other things.
    In addition this agency determines where the borders are for voting districts (no gerry mandering by either party) and when they need to change due to population changes.

    These rules are followed by all parties in all jurisdictions.

    The idea is to make elections as fair as possible, ensure everyone who is allowed to vote, has a fair opportunity to vote.

    No party can drastically outspend another party and the overall costs of elections to the parties, is contained.
    In the U.S. often political parties are making up or changing the rules.

    This Agency is the referee and they act on behalf of all voters to ensure a fair election. If a political party wants to win the election they have to do it through ideas and persuasion, not through rules they have put in place to gain a slight edge.

    Who gets to run? Political parties pick their own candidates. Political parties collect money through contributions and fund raisers. They can use these funds for party functions like conventions, primaries or whatever. Often one political party may be richer than another. Richer donors, better fund-raising strategies, whatever.

    The Agency can only control how much is spent during an election campaign, not how much an individual party spends on other things.

    The way the U.S. Government works, I doubt such an agency could ever come into being. Voters might like the idea, parties would not.
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