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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Kid of defeats the purpose of a secret ballot, doesn't it?
    Yeah because giving millions of dollars to candidates is just like voting for one. We all do it!

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Hmmm, so you don't think voters should know who gives money to candidates.
    Why should they? What purpose does it serve?

    Thanks for doing away with the conservative pretense that it's OK to have Big Money in politics so long as it's disclosed. I mean we knew it was a bogus argument, but somebody on the right had to finally admit it I guess.
    I'm not a conservative and I never made any such argument myself. Why must I defend the arguments of people outside of myself? If people wish to make such arguments it is there duty to defend them, not mine.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah because giving millions of dollars to candidates is just like voting for one. We all do it!
    They track all donations, genius. So when it is public knowledge that you donated to a given candidate it is public knowledge who you are voting for.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Influencing an election. The people have a right to know who influences such election.
    No, not really. They have a right to not let themselves be influenced.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They track all donations, genius. So when it is public knowledge that you donated to a given candidate it is public knowledge who you are voting for.
    Yeah, so? Nobody is forcing anybody to give money to a politician. With benefits (influence) comes burdens (disclosure).

    Oh, I forgot, you're a "free lunch" conservative.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Meanwhile, conservatives rage about Obama's appointment of a major donor...
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Thank you, but providing a copy of the law does not answer the question of if unions are in compliance every time they make a donation, and if not, is this selective enforcement.
    Voters soundly rejected Proposition 32 by a margin of 56 percent to 44 percent, with about 95 percent of precincts reporting this morning.
    Political observers in the state widely viewed Proposition 32 as the most restrictive measure in the country targeting unions’ ability to influence politics. If enacted, the measure would have banned unions and corporations from using payroll deductions to collect any money for political purposes.

    "This was never about campaign finance reform," said Steve Smith, communications director for the California Labor Federation. "It was about hurting working people and silencing unions."

    Similar laws in Idaho, Michigan, Utah, Washington and Wyoming already restrict unions. But Proposition 32 would have taken another step by not allowing members to opt in for payroll deductions for campaign contributions. Instead, labor groups would have needed to establish entirely new mechanisms for raising money, such as contributions via credit cards.
    California Unions Help Defeat Ballot Measure Targeting Campaign Donations
    Unions get special treatment.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Unions get special treatment.
    Do they ever not?

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Meanwhile, conservatives rage about Obama's appointment of a major donor...
    That's the conservative way. Totally fact free posting.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Do they ever not?
    Waaaaaaaaaaaa, working people are so pampered in our society! We need to hurt them some way, pronto.

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