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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So if someone fails to comply with the governments desire to know who or what they are supporting you find it justified for the government to fine them? I can't say I understand your logic, let alone agree with your stance. What would be the purpose of it in the first place and why is it the governments business in knowing?
    Let's pretend that the point of the disclosure if for "government" and not voters. Let's pretend.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sure. Bet you think it stops them.

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    Money trail


    Down in LA, there's trouble brewing at the DWP: Officials there say they are having trouble tracking some $40 million in ratepayer money that was spent on public relations-related efforts.

    From the LAT's Jack Dolan: "The Joint Training Institute and the Joint Safety Institute, controlled by DWP managers and union leaders, have received up to $4 million per year since their creation more than a decade ago after a contentious round of job cutbacks at one of the nation's largest municipal utilities."

    "Nearly all of the nonprofits' money comes from DWP ratepayers, records show. About $1 million per year has been used to pay the salaries of a handful of administrators, according to the limited records the utility has provided to The Times under the California Public Records Act. Separate federal tax records offer only summaries of the organizations' outlays, including more than $360,000 spent on travel from 2009 to 2011."

    "Officials at the nonprofits, the DWP and the employees' union, Local 18 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, declined to be interviewed about the institutes' activities and spending."

    Three members of a top political strategy and consulting firm have been fined for lobbying lawmakers and the bureaucracy without registering as lobbyists.

    From the Bee's Laurel Rosenhall: "The California Strategies public affairs firm and three of its partners will pay a combined $40,500 fine for breaking the state's political ethics laws under a settlement the Fair Political Practices Commission approved today."

    "The commission voted 4-0 to approve the agreement made public last week that requires Jason Kinney, Rusty Areias and Winston Hickox to pay the fine, register as lobbyists and disclose their clients. In the agreement, the three well-connected Democrats admit they lobbied the Legislature and the Air Resources Board without disclosing themselves as lobbyists and filing disclosure documents, as state law requires."

    "This is the first time that the commission has ever dealt with an issue like this, of shadow lobbying," said FPPC chair Ann Ravel."

    Speaking of the FPPC, the panel also established new rules requiring political campaigns to make public how much they pay bloggers.

    From Capitol Weekly's John Howard: "Californiaís political watchdog has approved a rule forcing political campaigns to disclose when they pay bloggers to post comments on such social media sites such as YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tumblr, as well as others."

    "The Fair Political Practice Commissionís decision, which has followed months of debate, requires the campaigns to publicly report payments of $500 or more to bloggers. The intent of the rule is to tell the public who is financing commentary, thus enabling voters to make informed decisions."

    "But some were skeptical about the stateís ability to enforce the new rule."

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Let's pretend that the point of the disclosure if for "government" and not voters. Let's pretend.
    Then why do people need to know who or what I support? How does them knowing go about resolving any sort of problem?

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    This just more proof that California is even more ****ed up than we thought

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then why do people need to know who or what I support? How does them knowing go about resolving any sort of problem?
    Kid of defeats the purpose of a secret ballot, doesn't it?

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Influencing an election. The people have a right to know who influences such election.
    Do we really? I bet you weren't bitching about this, much...

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Kid of defeats the purpose of a secret ballot, doesn't it?
    That's next...
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    BWHAHAHHAHHA! That shut Fisher up quick enough. He wanted to start an anti-union meme to derail the thread and it didn't get off the ground.
    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    God this is pitiful. Give up on the anti-union meme. This is about campaign disclosure laws, and your fetish against unions doesn't apply.
    The article makes reference to people contributing this way for fear of union retaliation, at least it does for those who can read, so the OP raises the subject. It is not an "anti-union" meme, it is a selective enforcement "meme". Democrats are well known for that as of late. I do notice that neither you nor he can answer the question, so contribute to the subject of the OP or troll, whichever, but based on what has been provided, this still appears to be a selective enforcement case. I thought the left wing was all worried about disenfranchisement and intimidation-- I guess it is only worried about certain disenfranchisement and intimidation.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then why do people need to know who or what I support? How does them knowing go about resolving any sort of problem?
    Hmmm, so you don't think voters should know who gives money to candidates.

    Thanks for doing away with the conservative pretense that it's OK to have Big Money in politics so long as it's disclosed. I mean we knew it was a bogus argument, but somebody on the right had to finally admit it I guess.

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    Re: California Issues $15M Campaign Reporting Fine To Koch Brothers-Connected Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The article makes reference to people contributing this way for fear of union retaliation, at least it does for those who can read, so the OP raises the subject. It is not an "anti-union" meme, it is a selective enforcement "meme". Democrats are well known for that as of late. I do notice that neither you nor he can answer the question, so contribute to the subject of the OP or troll, whichever, but based on what has been provided, this still appears to be a selective enforcement case. I thought the left wing was all worried about disenfranchisement and intimidation-- I guess it is only worried about certain disenfranchisement and intimidation.
    Just a few posts in and the anti-union memes begin. Perfect.

    Meanwhile, beyond the pretending you're doing, the real reason these people want to be anonymous is to control candidates with money and not have the voters know.

    But I love the anti-union spin you put on it. Very creative.

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