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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Soooo.......

    Snowden is no longer public enemy number one, lol?
    I'm not sure we really know yet, because govt isn't going to reveal either what he took with him (if he did) or that they know it. Their safest course is to make him a bad guy either way, because as a minimum he broke made programs known.
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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Frankly I don't generally care much who we spy on outside our border. My real concern there would be cost/benefit? No doubt the NSA has $billion budgets, so what are we getting for that? I'm not certain we're getting our money's worth. Large scale shotgun type of info gathering inside our borders bothers me. That includes attempts by the NSA to monitor within our borders from outside our borders. You know their using custom software that costs $millions to maintain, and acres of supercomputing that costs $millions to maintain; so what are we getting?
    I am not worried about the spying outside the US as such. But the repercussions are rather heavy and could turn ugly with all sorts of costs involved. It would have been much better to make the point why it is so important to mine the data.

    As far as the cost/benefit is concerned, I have not seen any studies. From what I understand a number of plots were uncovered and the people arrested. I looked at two cases a little more closely and found that it probably had saved lives. But how many is hard to say. Also, in the cases I checked, the lives were German lives and not American.

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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We don't have politicians that will.
    Who do you think built up this structure and protocol in the first place? The Republocrats are down with this. It's our fault for not controlling the government better and our fault that it continues. But we've become so fearful of probabilities that we let government do whatever it wants even if it costs us our freedom.
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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who do you think built up this structure and protocol in the first place? The Republocrats are down with this. It's our fault for not controlling the government better and our fault that it continues. But we've become so fearful of probabilities that we let government do whatever it wants even if it costs us our freedom.
    Because they're storing the metadata instead of leaving it to the companies, which purge them after awhile? Really? lol
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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because they're storing the metadata instead of leaving it to the companies, which purge them after awhile? Really? lol
    It's massive databasing and searching. This form of data mining on this scale is a threat to the 4th amendment and our freedom. The government should be banned less they have reasonable s suspicion or warrant. That's what it means to have a restricted, reactive government not an unlimited proactive one. Duh.
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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who do you think built up this structure and protocol in the first place? The Republocrats are down with this. It's our fault for not controlling the government better and our fault that it continues. But we've become so fearful of probabilities that we let government do whatever it wants even if it costs us our freedom.
    Well you have half the population that wants the government to give them stuff and tell them what to do. The other half is only includes a small group willing to fight against the tide.
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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's massive databasing and searching.
    Errr...no it's not.

    This form of data mining on this scale is a threat to the 4th amendment and our freedom. The government should be banned less they have reasonable s suspicion or warrant. That's what it means to have a restricted, reactive government not an unlimited proactive one. Duh.
    lol okay
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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    What makes this scary is the recent scandals involving the IRS and Department of Justice. You wonder whom the likes of Holder and Obama actually believe the enemies to be, and what the term "national security" means to them.

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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Errr...no it's not.



    lol okay
    If you don't think this is massive databasing, I suggest you look up the word database. Lol
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    Re: Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month

    Well, maybe they should have done the Obamacare website then.

    Kill two birds - the website would be working and the NSA would have it's info. Win, win.

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