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Perotista said:

Howdy, I have no doubt McAuliffe will win. Virginia has been trending Democrat for a long time and is probably closer to Maryland in their party politics than the old south which once they were. Same is going on in North Carolina and in my home state of Georgia. Hagan looks like almost a shoe in to keep her seat in NC as of today and believe it or not, I would give Michelle Nunn an 50-50 shot of taking Georgia's senate seat next year. There are plenty of us old foggies who loved her daddy, Sam Nunn. If she take the right stand on a couple of key issues for us Georgian's like her daddy did, we would most certainly return another Nunn to the Senate. Especially if Broun is her opposition.

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on a unrelated note montana's senate race is starting to take shape, state rep champ edmunds is making signals he might stay in the running for the republican primary, even if Representative Steve Daines announces decides to run for the senate nomination, and the reason he gives is Daines's vote to raise the debt ceiling and end the government shutdown.

Missoula legislator Edmunds might stay in U.S. Senate race

montana is a funny state, it's portrayed as a red state, but it elects democrats to the senate, including the legendary Mike Mansfield who was senate majority leader for 17 years.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

well i guess we will wait and see how the election in Virgina will turn out.

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How the VA gubernatorial elections go has little real impact and provides very little input into how the nation goes a year later. Especially considering that Cuccinelli was behind McAuliffe even before teh shut down. Futhermore, the Government Shutdown is likely to have a disproportionately greater impact to Virginia than to the vast majority of the rest of the country both in terms of the fervor over it currently AND the likelihood of it being on peoples mind a year from now. I'm really unsure how the election relates to next years House elections in any way that would cause you to mention it.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

on a unrelated note montana's senate race is starting to take shape, state rep champ edmunds is making signals he might stay in the running for the republican primary, even if Representative Steve Daines announces decides to run for the senate nomination, and the reason he gives is Daines's vote to raise the debt ceiling and end the government shutdown.

Missoula legislator Edmunds might stay in U.S. Senate race

montana is a funny state, it's portrayed as a red state, but it elects democrats to the senate, including the legendary Mike Mansfield who was senate majority leader for 17 years.

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Now Mansfield was an icon and the senate could use him today. I always liked John Tester too. Walsh I understand will be the Democratic nominee or candidate. Does his position as Lt. Gov give him an advantage of any potential GOP nominee? I think it might. North Dakota is a lot like Montana, votes Republican presidential overwhelming and then sends Democrats to the senate. Certainly not like the south.

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Perotista said:

Now Mansfield was an icon and the senate could use him today. I always liked John Tester too. Walsh I understand will be the Democratic nominee or candidate. Does his position as Lt. Gov give him an advantage of any potential GOP nominee? I think it might. North Dakota is a lot like Montana, votes Republican presidential overwhelming and then sends Democrats to the senate. Certainly not like the south.

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and what about thad cochran's recent primary challenger? any oppinion on him.

i don't think the democrats have a chance at taking Mississippi senate seat, (if doubt if there is any democratic party in Mississippi), but i think thad Cochran is still a better choice then anyone to his right.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

and what about thad cochran's recent primary challenger? any oppinion on him.

i don't think the democrats have a chance at taking Mississippi senate seat, (if doubt if there is any democratic party in Mississippi), but i think thad Cochran is still a better choice then anyone to his right.

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Whats crazy is that longer term projections of deep south and other deep red states have them turning purple. Hell some are saying Texas goes purple by 2020.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

and what about thad cochran's recent primary challenger? any oppinion on him.

i don't think the democrats have a chance at taking Mississippi senate seat, (if doubt if there is any democratic party in Mississippi), but i think thad Cochran is still a better choice then anyone to his right.

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No, no democrat will win in Mississippi unless Johns Stennis arises from the grave. I suppose Cochran is alright, he has stayed out of the lime light. He's not one for TV or the talkshows or to be interviewed by the news folks. For the most part I suppose one could say he just does his job. My two senators are pretty much the same way. Let the Schummers and Cruz's garner the limelight and put forth their rhetoric while others just go about doing their business.

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rocket88 said:

Yes, only geniuses vote Republican....yep, no misinformed voters there. Because there really is a huge difference between Romneycare and Obamacare!

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It's always interesting to get a response that has nothing to do with my post, or just about anything.

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MaggieD said:

I hope it does. I'd like to see the mess they can make if they have total control. Last time, it was Obamacare shoved down people's throats. Caveat: I think Obamacare in some form was needed. They way it was enacted? The problems that will have to be speedily corrected? Therein lies the rub.

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When you have an entire party only dedicated to filibustering and making sure that nothing gets passed and is more interested in killing legislation than making it better, that's the only way to pass anything is by "ramming" it. And even then, I'd hardly call what happened "ramming" it. It was by far and away the most discussed bill ever passed in my lifetime. The finer points were debated for over a year. And it was passed with a super majority in the senate.

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iliveonramen said:

Whats crazy is that longer term projections of deep south and other deep red states have them turning purple. Hell some are saying Texas goes purple by 2020.

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I don't think the deep south has a chance of turning purple any time soon. The coastal states are certainly progressing that way, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and even South Carolina, but Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi are only getting redder if anything. I know some are saying Texas could turn purple this decade, but in all likelihood if demographics continue to vote the same way it won't be until the 30s or 40s.

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roughdraft274 said:

When you have an entire party only dedicated to filibustering and making sure that nothing gets passed and is more interested in killing legislation than making it better, that's the only way to pass anything is by "ramming" it. And even then, I'd hardly call what happened "ramming" it. It was by far and away the most discussed bill ever passed in my lifetime. The finer points were debated for over a year. And it was passed with a super majority in the senate.

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You ignore that the majority party in the situation will not allow any but their own legislation to even reach the floor. And you are wrong, considering no one had read the bill at the time the final vote was taken, no one knew what was in it for certain, the previous year's worth of debate was simply tactical positioning.

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roughdraft274 said:

When you have an entire party only dedicated to filibustering and making sure that nothing gets passed and is more interested in killing legislation than making it better, that's the only way to pass anything is by "ramming" it. And even then, I'd hardly call what happened "ramming" it. It was by far and away the most discussed bill ever passed in my lifetime. The finer points were debated for over a year. And it was passed with a super majority in the senate.

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We have different memories of 2009-10.

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clownboy said:

You ignore that the majority party in the situation will not allow any but their own legislation to even reach the floor. And you are wrong, considering no one had read the bill at the time the final vote was taken, no one knew what was in it for certain, the previous year's worth of debate was simply tactical positioning.

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1. You mean kinda like how the house republicans won't allow democrats to vote on a bill during the government shutdown? Get out of here with that bull****. Republican amendments were added and alot more would have been added if they were ever interested at any time in actually improving the bill.

2. Many bills are passed without most of congress reading them. All the information has to be settled upon in committees and such, and if there is a segment where they accidentally added in that Obama gets to eat your newborn they can always take it out later. A bill isn't 100% final as soon as it's passed. It's congresses job to see how it is implemented and make positive changes if need be. That's how a government works. If you have a huge problem that congress doesn't read the bills they vote on, that's fine, but don't just single out one bill. That is the overwhelming majority. You're just butthurt about this one because you don't agree with it.

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MaggieD said:

We have different memories of 2009-10.

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Care to point out any part of what I said that doesn't jive with your memory? I really am curious how you can view it any differently.

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roughdraft274 said:

Care to point out any part of what I said that doesn't jive with your memory? I really am curious how you can view it any differently.

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Respectfully, Roughdraft, I just don't care to go back and dig up links, etc. to support my position differing from yours. Perhaps you are correct; but that is not the way I remember it happening at the time.

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MaggieD said:

We have different memories of 2009-10.

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Yes, and yours is wrong. The bill took a freaking year to get through. Literally hundreds of amendments were accepted. (161 from Republicans, even!) It spent more time in floor debates than any bill in the last decade.

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Deuce said:

Yes, and yours is wrong. The bill took a freaking year to get through. Literally hundreds of amendments were accepted. (161 from Republicans, even!) It spent more time in floor debates than any bill in the last decade.

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Deuce, thanks for this. Mea Culpa. No wonder eye-witness testimony is suspect.

Review a few of the Republican initiatives included in legislation passed by Congress:
Includes personal responsibility incentives: Allows health insurance premium to vary based on participation in proven employer wellness programs

• (Sources: H.R. 3468, “Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act” (Castle bill); H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill), "Coverage, Prevention and Reform Act")
• Advances medical liability reform through grants to States: Provides grants to States to jump-start and evaluate promising medical liability reform ideas to put patient safety first, prevent medical errors, and reduce liability premiums.
• (Sources: S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act” (Ryan bill); S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act” (Burr-Coburn, Ryan-Nunes bill))
• Extends dependent coverage to age 26: Gives young adults new options.
• (Sources: H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill))
• Allows automatic enrollment by employers in health insurance: Allows employee to opt-out.
• (Sources: House Republican Substitute; H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); “Coverage, Prevention, and Reform Act” )
• Mechanisms to improve quality.
• (Sources: H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act;” S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act;” H.R. 3400, Republican Study Group bill; S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill))
• Community Mental Health Centers. The President’s Proposal ensures that individuals have access to comprehensive mental health services in the community setting, but strengthens standards for facilities that seek reimbursement as community mental health centers by ensuring these facilities are providing appropriate care and not taking advantage of Medicare patients or the taxpayers.
• (Source: H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act”)

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head of joaquin said:

Democrats Have A Shot At Taking Back The House As Republican Popularity Continues To Drop: Poll

It's going to happen

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The election is a long way away and the memory of the American electorate quite short. The Cons are firmly entrenched, it would very hard for the Dems to unseat them. However, it would be very easy for the Cons to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again (they are so good at that as evidenced by the Senate races in 2010 and 2012 and the White House in 2012)..... another shut down in January would probably lead to a shut-out in November.

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MaggieD said:

Respectfully, Roughdraft, I just don't care to go back and dig up links, etc. to support my position differing from yours. Perhaps you are correct; but that is not the way I remember it happening at the time.

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Ok, no problem.

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upsideguy said:

The election is a long way away and the memory of the American electorate quite short. The Cons are firmly entrenched, it would very hard for the Dems to unseat them. However, it would be very easy for the Cons to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again (they are so good at that as evidenced by the Senate races in 2010 and 2012 and the White House in 2012)..... another shut down in January would probably lead to a shut-out in November.

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You are right, the Republicans are very good for nominating bum candidates and as in 2012 defeating an incumbent, liked Luger in Indiana that was a sure winner and replace him with a loser. With a decent candidate instead of O'Donnell and Angle in 2010 the Republicans would have had two more seats to go with their 6 they picked up then. Meaning 49 seats going into 2012 instead of 47. In 2012, Snowes retirement was a blow and the GOP would have lost that seat no matter what. But if they let Luger alone in Indiana they would still have had that seat, then there was Aiken in Missouri. Any other candidate would have taken Missouri, Berg and Rehberg in Montana and North Dakota were very swift and the people of those two states didn't care for either. Aiken and Mourdock spouting off like they did probably cost Thompson in Wisconsin and Allen in Virginia and lead to their losses.

With just half decent candidates the Republicans could be going into next year with control of the senate at 52 or 53 seats and a chance of picking up around 6 more. The way they choose their candidates, I don't think they care whether they win or lose. Now the Democrats know how to pick better candidates, perhaps it is all just that simple.

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roughdraft274 said:

Ok, no problem.

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See my Post #41, Roughdraft. Mea Culpa to you as well.