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Top Republican Slams Ted Cruz: 'Show A Little Self-Restraint'

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The reason why this could be groundbreaking for the GOP is because it's pretty obvious that the baggers won't try to take on Bush3. And it's also a clear indication that Bush3 knows he's too big for the baggers to take on and he's choosing his course now for the presidential election.

If the baggers don't ignore him then they will be soundly defeated by the mainstream GOP. They'll ignore it.
 
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Man, that post is about as far off base as anything that could be posted on here.

The Liberal MSM has been trying to push Jeb Bush for years and NOBODY will take him seriously. The last thing we need is another RINO Globalist Bush. Don't even mention the fact that at a time when there is widespread global recognition that the single worst culture destroyer is open borders immigration and Jeb Bush is married to a Mexican woman.
 
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Man, that post is about as far off base as anything that could be posted on here.

I have to agree, they will fight Jeb if he runs.

Now if the Repubs can't stop eating their own before the election, that's bad news for them.
 
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Man, that post is about as far off base as anything that could be posted on here.

I'm not suggesting they will fight Jeb if he runs, I'm suggesting that they are not likely to fight him 'before' he runs. The fight is going to be on long before it's time for an election.

He's clearly made his choice to take on the challenge by trashing Cruz!
 
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I'm not suggesting they will fight Jeb if he runs, I'm suggesting that they are not likely to fight him 'before' he runs. The fight is going to be on long before it's time for an election.

He's clearly made his choice to take on the challenge by trashing Cruz!

Well, Cruz is the future, Bush is the past. The left seems to be very concerned with the Tea Party conservatives, as they try to claim that they have no pull. Boy, are they rooting for every RINO there is. Makes sense, of course I would want consevative dems instead of the current left wing wacko statists that get all the headlines. Sooner or later, they will crumble, since the nation can not afford ($$$) their brand of politics.
 
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Since when has Jeb Bush been considered a "Top Republican"?

Could that be some more of your ultra-left nonsense, Michael?
 
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Well, Cruz is the future, Bush is the past. The left seems to be very concerned with the Tea Party conservatives, as they try to claim that they have no pull. Boy, are they rooting for every RINO there is. Makes sense, of course I would want consevative dems instead of the current left wing wacko statists that get all the headlines. Sooner or later, they will crumble, since the nation can not afford ($$$) their brand of politics.

Bush may be the past, but if Cruz is the future of the Republican Party, the future is bleak.

RINO??? What gives anyone the right to determine who can and cannot be a Republican or define what a TRUE Republican is?

I agree with the basic premise of the original Tea Party movement, of getting our spending and debt under control.

I do not agree with, or support, the scorched earth tactics that SOME Tea Partiers are using... Like Cruz.

What Jeb Bush said, was dead on. The hyperbolic rhetoric and "my way or the highway" tactics are the exact same tactics that the President and the Democrats in the Congress are using. A person looses all credibility in my eyes when they do exactly what they complain about others doing.

We can agree on the goal, but we need to coordinate a strategy, instead of having the Tea Party extreme taking their own path which is leading to self destruction of the Republican Party.

What they will end up with, if they keep this up, is a core group of people in this country that will NEVER be able to win a nationwide election (President), or enough state wide elections to control the Senate, and there are not enough House districts that have enough like minded people to control the House of Representatives.

So what they are doing, is hastening their own irrelevance in US politics.

YOU HAVE TO BE IN POWER (win elections) TO WIELD POWER (rule and control the government) AND EFFECT A CHANGE (realize and implement your agenda and policies). Currently, that doesn't seem to be the goal of Ted Cruz, not by any realistic evaluation of the facts.
 
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Man, that post is about as far off base as anything that could be posted on here.

The Liberal MSM has been trying to push Jeb Bush for years and NOBODY will take him seriously. The last thing we need is another RINO Globalist Bush. Don't even mention the fact that at a time when there is widespread global recognition that the single worst culture destroyer is open borders immigration and Jeb Bush is married to a Mexican woman.

She is an American citizen who was born in Mexico. She is not an illegal alien.

and Jeb wouldn't be Bush 3, but Bush 4. Bush 3 is the current president who, despite talking about hope and "change" didn't change much.
 
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Since when has Jeb Bush been considered a "Top Republican"?

Could that be some more of your ultra-left nonsense, Michael?

Man, that post is about as far off base as anything that could be posted on here.

The Liberal MSM has been trying to push Jeb Bush for years and NOBODY will take him seriously. The last thing we need is another RINO Globalist Bush. Don't even mention the fact that at a time when there is widespread global recognition that the single worst culture destroyer is open borders immigration and Jeb Bush is married to a Mexican woman.

Erm, yeah, I can't recall the "liberal MSM" even talking about Jeb significantly, let alone "pushing" him.
 
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there could be nothing better than to see Bush3 and Cruz do battle. It would show clearly that the Republican party has had enough of the crazies. There couldn't be any backing down by either of them.

Sadly, Cruz knows now he's taken on more than he can chew and will keep his peepee in his pants for a while. Otherwise he would have answered to Bush's challenge by now.

Cruz has a lot to answer for when the nomination process gets going and there's going to be a whole bunch of candidates that are going to be willing to lay the GOP cards on the table and take him on. It's going to be great entertainment!
 
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there could be nothing better than to see Bush3 and Cruz do battle. It would show clearly that the Republican party has had enough of the crazies. There couldn't be any backing down by either of them.

Sadly, Cruz knows now he's taken on more than he can chew and will keep his peepee in his pants for a while. Otherwise he would have answered to Bush's challenge by now.

Cruz has a lot to answer for when the nomination process gets going and there's going to be a whole bunch of candidates that are going to be willing to lay the GOP cards on the table and take him on. It's going to be great entertainment!

Bush won't run.

But, you know, much as it amuses me to see your Canadian, ultra-left nonsense, what really amuses me is when I think about how Obama is responsible for Cruz winning his Senate seat.

LOL!!
 
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Bush may be the past, but if Cruz is the future of the Republican Party, the future is bleak.

RINO??? What gives anyone the right to determine who can and cannot be a Republican or define what a TRUE Republican is?

They act like democrtats, they're RINO's.

I do not agree with, or support, the scorched earth tactics that SOME Tea Partiers are using... Like Cruz.

I don't think it's a "scorched Earth" tactic to use the tools that the Constitution gives you. The democrats never hesitate, that's how they shoved the law through in the first place. It's not really reasonable to ask the republicans to hold back when the democrats haven't.

We can agree on the goal, but we need to coordinate a strategy, instead of having the Tea Party extreme taking their own path which is leading to self destruction of the Republican Party.

I am glad they decided to do something, so far, the coordinated strategy is to do nothing.

What they will end up with, if they keep this up, is a core group of people in this country that will NEVER be able to win a nationwide election (President), or enough state wide elections to control the Senate, and there are not enough House districts that have enough like minded people to control the House of Representatives.

The people that can't win elections are the Romney, McCain, and Jeb Bush types, not conservatives like Cruz.

So what they are doing, is hastening their own irrelevance in US politics.
The house, unlike the Senate, is always up for election, 100% of it. It was an easy win for republicans.

YOU HAVE TO BE IN POWER (win elections) TO WIELD POWER (rule and control the government) AND EFFECT A CHANGE (realize and implement your agenda and policies). Currently, that doesn't seem to be the goal of Ted Cruz, not by any realistic evaluation of the facts.

So, they wielded the power that they have with the House.
 
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Serious questions here. As Americans does the fact your general election seems to always be ongoing ever get old? Only lived in the US for a couple of years but the whole time it always seemed like every politician was running for president/ endorsing someone.
 
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Man, that post is about as far off base as anything that could be posted on here.

The Liberal MSM has been trying to push Jeb Bush for years and NOBODY will take him seriously. The last thing we need is another RINO Globalist Bush. Don't even mention the fact that at a time when there is widespread global recognition that the single worst culture destroyer is open borders immigration and Jeb Bush is married to a Mexican woman.

How dare he violated the racial purity of the white man.
 
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Bush won't run.

But, you know, much as it amuses me to see your Canadian, ultra-left nonsense, what really amuses me is when I think about how Obama is responsible for Cruz winning his Senate seat.

LOL!!

You're right... it's not as if Republicans win Senate seats in Texas or anything... tell me... the person who's seat Ted Cruz took over. Was he/she a Republican? How long did he/she hold the seat for?
 
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You're right... it's not as if Republicans win Senate seats in Texas or anything... tell me... the person who's seat Ted Cruz took over. Was he/she a Republican? How long did he/she hold the seat for?

Does that matter?

Wouldn't you have rather had the other guy?

Too bad Obama screwed that up for y'all.
 
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You're right... it's not as if Republicans win Senate seats in Texas or anything... tell me... the person who's seat Ted Cruz took over. Was he/she a Republican? How long did he/she hold the seat for?

Does that matter?

Wouldn't you have rather had the other guy?

Too bad Obama screwed that up for y'all.
 
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Does that matter?

Of course it does - did Ted Cruz win a seat that has been held by Republicans for a long time? Effectively making his seat a "safe seat"? I already know the answer. However, your refusal to answer is all I need to know how true this claim is: Obama is responsible for Cruz winning his Senate seat.

As I said, it's not as if Ted Cruz won a safe Republican seat that hasn't been Democrat for a long time. Right? He probably won some Northern seat that has been held by a Republican since the early 1990s. Oh...wait....

Don't let facts stop you though. Carry on with the ridiculous claims. ;)
 
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double post....
 
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double post....
 
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Of course it does - did Ted Cruz win a seat that has been held by Republicans for a long time? Effectively making his seat a "safe seat"? I already know the answer. However, your refusal to answer is all I need to know how true this claim is: Obama is responsible for Cruz winning his Senate seat.

As I said, it's not as if Ted Cruz won a safe Republican seat that hasn't been Democrat for a long time. Right? He probably won some Northern seat that has been held by a Republican since the early 1990s. Oh...wait....

Don't let facts stop you though. Carry on with the ridiculous claims. ;)

As I said...you probably would have preferred that Dewhurst had won his "safe seat" instead of Obama helping Cruz to win. Too bad that didn't happen, eh? Instead, thanks to Obama, you have this no-name Cruz causing you liberals all kinds of problems. Heck, people are even talking about Cruz for President!

All because of Obama and his agenda.

btw, Hatuey, if you think I'm making some ridiculous claim about Obama helping Cruz to win, perhaps you should challenge me to prove my claim...instead of talking about irrelevant things like whether it was a safe Republican seat or not.
 
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As I said..

Actually, you didn't say that before. You clearly stated the reason Cruz won was because of Obama. This is in spite of the fact that Cruz won a seat that had been solidly Republican for 20 YEARS in a state that hasn't had a Democrat senator in the same amount of time.

you have this no-name Cruz causing you liberals all kinds of problems.

I laughed at this part. You clearly don't understand what a "safe seat" is. Whether Cruz is a no name or not, party recognition and voter registration records show he would have easily won in a state that hasn't been carried a senate seat in the state since 93.

Hatuey, if you think I'm making some ridiculous claim about Obama helping Cruz to win, perhaps you should challenge me to prove my claim...instead of talking about irrelevant things like whether it was a safe Republican seat or not.

How can I ask you to prove a claim that is entirely subjective? Well, I asked you to show the seat's history. Would it have normally gone Democrat? As it has gone Republican for 20 years, that doesn't seem to be the case. So Cruz essentially won a safe seat, thus debunking any claim that he had outside help. Here are the last few elections over the same seat:

Kay Bailey Hutchison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison 1,188,716 67.3

Democratic Bob Krueger 576,538 32.6

Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison 2,604,218 60.71

Democratic Richard W. Fisher 1,649,615 38.45

Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison (inc.) 4,078,954 65.0%

Democratic Gene Kelly 2,025,024 32.4%
Green Douglas S. Sandage 91,329 1.5%
Libertarian Mary J. Ruwart 72,657 1.2%

Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison (inc.) 2,661,789 61.7 -3.3

Democratic Barbara Ann Radnofsky 1,555,202 36.0 +3.6

So what we have is a Senate race regularly won by Republicans by a 30% difference where Cruz, a Republican has maintained the tradition. Again, this DEBUNKS your ridiculous claim but please, show us how you'll disprove it. I'm dying to hear your ideological diatribe devoid of facts and filled with purely subjective nonsense.
 
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Bush may be the past, but if Cruz is the future of the Republican Party, the future is bleak.

RINO??? What gives anyone the right to determine who can and cannot be a Republican or define what a TRUE Republican is?

I agree with the basic premise of the original Tea Party movement, of getting our spending and debt under control.

I do not agree with, or support, the scorched earth tactics that SOME Tea Partiers are using... Like Cruz.

What Jeb Bush said, was dead on. The hyperbolic rhetoric and "my way or the highway" tactics are the exact same tactics that the President and the Democrats in the Congress are using. A person looses all credibility in my eyes when they do exactly what they complain about others doing.

We can agree on the goal, but we need to coordinate a strategy, instead of having the Tea Party extreme taking their own path which is leading to self destruction of the Republican Party.

What they will end up with, if they keep this up, is a core group of people in this country that will NEVER be able to win a nationwide election (President), or enough state wide elections to control the Senate, and there are not enough House districts that have enough like minded people to control the House of Representatives.

So what they are doing, is hastening their own irrelevance in US politics.

YOU HAVE TO BE IN POWER (win elections) TO WIELD POWER (rule and control the government) AND EFFECT A CHANGE (realize and implement your agenda and policies). Currently, that doesn't seem to be the goal of Ted Cruz, not by any realistic evaluation of the facts.
First of all, everybody in the United States has the right to determine what he/she thinks is a Republican or not. People who are wishy-washy at this late stage of this game need to make their own choice...but that will not stop me from deciding if they are in the right camp or not.

Secondly, We the people out here have seen what those of you who call for this big tent strategy have gotten us... a long time under Democrat and Democrat-light Federal governments which do nothing to cut departments, which do nothing to cut spending except some minimal increases in the growth of spending, have barely slowed down government encroachment into every aspect of our lives...who have not stopped the massive hemorrhage of bleeding the true blood of our culture in the culture wars... we watch as the RINO strategists keep telling us, play for that big win, that big win that never truly comes... or if we do win, what we get is just a little better than what the other side would have given us.

I naively signed onto that strategy myself in the hopes it would be for the better, the lesser of two evils...but getting a lesser evil followed by a larger evil has pointed out to me the error of my mistaken thought processes.

Third, piggybacking on the former point... you don't ask the devil to help out, to work on your side...AND, and sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire. Have we fallen for the liberals 60s mantra, make love not war? Sometimes you have to do the war thing, sometimes, as proven by Sherman's March, maybe even the scorched earth thing giving a badly needed victory to US, like it did old Abe. I agree with this GW point, you are either with us or you are against us.

McCain is not sufficiently with us, he has killed conservatism with a 1000 paper cuts that just eat like termites away at my inner core beliefs. I don't wanna die on the battle field like that... would rather stand up and aim cannons straight at the enemy, shoot deserters and hang the ones we find find working with the enemy [ metaphorically obviously ].

The Tea Parties are the only truly honest parties in the country...they represent what is needed to get us back on course fiscally, politically and, to a much lesser extent, socially. We need that direction for all three. If we keep on going like the Republican Party has, it is already a dead party. I sure don't want any part of just being the Fabian Wing of the Democrat Party.

While winning may be necessary to get anything done, if you get nothing done when you do win except to just go on a slower pace towards decline than the other party... hey, might as well get there faster so we can break it down and start over...

I am unwilling to be a slave... that is ultimately where this is headed if not headed off at the pass.
 
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I am unwilling to be a slave... that is ultimately where this is headed if not headed off at the pass.

... before you do become a slave - may I ask: do you have good teeth? A strong back? Or have they been eroded away by ObamaCare yet? I just want to know in case I decide to purchase you.... seeing as how we Liberals will be your slave masters and all. For eugenics reasons 'tis all. I swears on me grave I will do my best to also purchase your family. I don't want you going through what my ancestors went through. I'll also let you celebrate all of your people's cultural activities. As long as you work 1 Sunday out of 4 oh, and I expect my horse and carriage to be ready every Wednesday afternoon in case the Missus and I want to go to the weekly Marxist Ball.
 
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