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Top Republican Slams Ted Cruz: 'Show A Little Self-Restraint'

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I did all that?

Do I get a ribbon or a trophy or something like that?

I should at least get an "attaboy" for pointing out your hypocracy.
Except I am not the hypocrite. Or...perhaps you can show me ANYWHERE that I have indicated red state handout types are superior to blue state handout types or in fact that I delineated it in ANY way. Its ALL wrong. It is ALL bankrupting future generations. I get why you dont want to see that.
 
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Lol.... Okay, I'll play along with the goal post move. What I'm saying is that: every indication points to Dewhurst was never within a short distance of the required 50% at any point before the March 6th election - which supports the claim that regardless of what Obama did, there would still have been a runoff election.

Again, this according to the standards YOU set. If you got proof of anything different, c'mon down and show us. If not? Retract your provably false statement.



Lol, you have tried to present Op-Eds as proof of your statement. They have been proven to be false. You have tried to claim that Cruz had an uphill battle for his seat, he really did not. You have tried to claim Obama's lawsuit made it possible for there to be a runoff election, this is false. Your dishonesty is showing in spades. You haven't even been honest enough to own up to the fact that I have met every criteria you have set - while you have yet to provide a single tangible bit of evidence to support your claim. Your subjective observations are not consistent with what we know to be facts.

Oh, please...

You haven't proven anything. Heck, you haven't even successfully disputed anything that writer said. All you've done is trotted out a poll or two.

The fact is, if the primary had been as originally scheduled, Cruz wouldn't have won...not even in a run off. But thanks to Obama Cruz got a lot more time to campaign...and the results are as we see.

Thanks, Obama!!
 
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He's an ideologue and a radical. "Self-restraint" really isn't their thing.
 
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He's an ideologue and a radical. "Self-restraint" really isn't their thing.

I just think he is a political whore playing to his crowd. He is, after all, a Texas politician. How else could he act and still be elected?
 
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Are you just really pissed because the Tea PArty is now associated with something you like to have done to you on the weekends? Honestly...your 'bagger' references just make you come across like a douchebag. Through in the obligatory "Koch brothers" rheotic and you make it a 'total'. I am not a republican. I have never voted straight ticket and have not voted for a party democrat or republican since 2003. You really should consider ending your childish bagger **** and your mindless liberal rants.

I left the party because of Bush and the GOP spending. If you are a fiscal conservative and cant see how fiscally irresponsible the GOP is, you are as mindless as the drones that support anything liberal. There are significant areas for cuts at every level of government. Healthcare and education reform is needed but it must be a state responsibility. As soon as they made it a fed function they did the exact same thing has gotten us to this point...they enabled the fed to continue to bury debt and dump it on future generations. And np...sorry...the answer to all the worlds ills is NOT to tax the **** out of the people in the country that have managed to demonstrate success. Yes...taxes need to go up, but not to enable more spending. Taxes need to go up in a targeted measure to pay down the debt.

I will be more than happy to engage a debate on how that looks like long term and how to bring it about...but if all you have is more ridiculous left vs right rhetoric, then I'd say we have pretty much exhausted our conversation.

I feel like I have already succeeded in part by having you acknowledge that taxes need to go up. And to say that taxes don't need to go up to fund more spending is at least something we can partially agree upon. The reason I say 'partially' is because it appears from my outsider's viewpoint that spending is lacking in some areas. While of course I acknowledge that spending is wasteful in others. These are the ills that inflict all democracies within the capitalist system.

A careful and considerate analysis of the status quo is required, not a kneejerk response such as is the tea party's. If perhaps you are able to acknowledge that then I think you are thinking a lot deeper than most of it's supporters. I know what they are! Their base is in libertarianism which in my opinion has been coopted away from that persuasion into serving the interests of the Koch brothers and their political ilk. An ilk that is totally concerned with lower taxation for them, not lower taxation for the ordinary guy. That's an impossibility, which incidentally you appear to understand quite well. And along with that there is the racist element. If you can't concede that then indeed we have nothing much to talk about. Only the degree to which it infests the tea parties is debatable.

But let me return to my reference to 'kneejerk' reactions. I believe that a large part of the tea party is involving themselves in just that, even though I think that it's also race motivated. Taxes has become a buzzword that is harangued over with no real understanding of what it means to far too many of them. In fact, they're not mostly compalaining about their own tax base as they are complaining about the unequal tax base. Hence they scream of a fair tax and equal taxation without even giving an honest thought as to what the consequences would be.

Aside from that, I'm very well versed in the libertarian agenda and the supplyside agenda as I took part on the supplyside forum and Jude Wanniski's talkshop for over ten years. Don't feel you need to talk in elementary terms with me on those topics. I know all about the 'pie in the sky' ideas of both. Or in truth 'that' because in an honest analysis, they're one and the same.

I would suggest that America's problem isn't one of spending. That's my opening bid. The problem is one of not enough taxation and too many exemptions, tax dodges, earmarks to serve the wealthy, and so on. Simply put, I'm not afraid to suggest that it's not a case of the middle class and the poor trying to steal the money of the rich, it's a case of the middle class and poor trying to take back enough of what has been stolen from them in order to live a satisfactory lifestyle.

And of course, I'm talking from a position of relative success as a Canadian. I think you would serve yourself well to give some consideration to what does work and what is obviously not working. Patriotism and pride needs to be placed on the back burner for a while. Not only is it destructive to your cause, it's being used by the wealthy to destroy your cause.
 
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I feel like I have already succeeded in part by having you acknowledge that taxes need to go up. And to say that taxes don't need to go up to fund more spending is at least something we can partially agree upon. The reason I say 'partially' is because it appears from my outsider's viewpoint that spending is lacking in some areas. While of course I acknowledge that spending is wasteful in others. These are the ills that inflict all democracies within the capitalist system.

A careful and considerate analysis of the status quo is required, not a kneejerk response such as is the tea party's. If perhaps you are able to acknowledge that then I think you are thinking a lot deeper than most of it's supporters. I know what they are! Their base is in libertarianism which in my opinion has been coopted away from that persuasion into serving the interests of the Koch brothers and their political ilk. An ilk that is totally concerned with lower taxation for them, not lower taxation for the ordinary guy. That's an impossibility, which incidentally you appear to understand quite well. And along with that there is the racist element. If you can't concede that then indeed we have nothing much to talk about. Only the degree to which it infests the tea parties is debatable.

But let me return to my reference to 'kneejerk' reactions. I believe that a large part of the tea party is involving themselves in just that, even though I think that it's also race motivated. Taxes has become a buzzword that is harangued over with no real understanding of what it means to far too many of them. In fact, they're not mostly compalaining about their own tax base as they are complaining about the unequal tax base. Hence they scream of a fair tax and equal taxation without even giving an honest thought as to what the consequences would be.

Aside from that, I'm very well versed in the libertarian agenda and the supplyside agenda as I took part on the supplyside forum and Jude Wanniski's talkshop for over ten years. Don't feel you need to talk in elementary terms with me on those topics. I know all about the 'pie in the sky' ideas of both. Or in truth 'that' because in an honest analysis, they're one and the same.

I would suggest that America's problem isn't one of spending. That's my opening bid. The problem is one of not enough taxation and too many exemptions, tax dodges, earmarks to serve the wealthy, and so on. Simply put, I'm not afraid to suggest that it's not a case of the middle class and the poor trying to steal the money of the rich, it's a case of the middle class and poor trying to take back enough of what has been stolen from them in order to live a satisfactory lifestyle.

And of course, I'm talking from a position of relative success as a Canadian. I think you would serve yourself well to give some consideration to what does work and what is obviously not working. Patriotism and pride needs to be placed on the back burner for a while. Not only is it destructive to your cause, it's being used by the wealthy to destroy your cause.
Your 'success' is about 4 years too late. I have made very clear statements on taxes since I began posting on this site.
The difference is you want more taxes for more spending cuz, thats how you roll. I want more taxes to pay down the debt and a radically gutted federal government with social services and spending placed back where they belong...at the individual state levels.

17 trillion in debt and climbing. Unemployment still a scourge and new jobs are 'part time' jobs. We are not on a positive path and WONT be until people no longer view ever increasing debt as a viable option for spending. Period. Whats pathetic is that you and people you would marginalize and villainize the few people in this country that are actually trying to create a fiscally responsible future. But then...**** the future...its not like you have to pay for it.
 
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Your 'success' is about 4 years too late. I have made very clear statements on taxes since I began posting on this site.
The difference is you want more taxes for more spending cuz, thats how you roll. I want more taxes to pay down the debt and a radically gutted federal government with social services and spending placed back where they belong...at the individual state levels.

17 trillion in debt and climbing. Unemployment still a scourge and new jobs are 'part time' jobs. We are not on a positive path and WONT be until people no longer view ever increasing debt as a viable option for spending. Period. Whats pathetic is that you and people you would marginalize and villainize the few people in this country that are actually trying to create a fiscally responsible future. But then...**** the future...its not like you have to pay for it.

Michael won't have to pay for his ultra-left nonsense anyway. He's Canadian.
 
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Michael won't have to pay for his ultra-left nonsense anyway. He's Canadian.
Point remains the same...
 
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Your 'success' is about 4 years too late. I have made very clear statements on taxes since I began posting on this site.
The difference is you want more taxes for more spending cuz, thats how you roll. I want more taxes to pay down the debt and a radically gutted federal government with social services and spending placed back where they belong...at the individual state levels.

17 trillion in debt and climbing. Unemployment still a scourge and new jobs are 'part time' jobs. We are not on a positive path and WONT be until people no longer view ever increasing debt as a viable option for spending. Period. Whats pathetic is that you and people you would marginalize and villainize the few people in this country that are actually trying to create a fiscally responsible future. But then...**** the future...its not like you have to pay for it.

Indeed, lack of spending in the right places is part of the problem. While waste is also an element that needs to be considered. But both pale in importance when put up against the problem of the very wealthy having stolen your country's prosperity. The simple fact that your country's income inequality is second worst in the world behind Mexico should be telling clearly what the major problem really is. And of course that along with the fact that your country has the highest per capita incomes in the entire world.

I consider your argument of putting it back at the state level as opposed to federal spending to be a dishonest argument. That is simply because it's an argument for less social spending in states of the rightist persuasion. Or in other words, the dismal socially irresponsible hell that is now Texas would become even more so.

If you want a rational discussion then act rational. Telling me that I want more spending is because that's the way I roll is nothing but meaningless drivel. I've made the attempt to refrain from the derogatory labelling of the tea party now, show that you can rise above yours too.

If you are able to do that then I will start by telling you that Obama, through force or otherwise, has embarked on a mission to lower your country's debt. If you are honest you will admit that he has been successful in doing just that. His ACA would accomplish just that and so any adversity to it is totally irrational and political hate based.
 
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Michael won't have to pay for his ultra-left nonsense anyway. He's Canadian.

My remarks which you consider ultra-left nonsense are in fact pretty well middle of the road for the world's most successful countries. It's the US that's out of step. But that's being rational about it and that's something that the tea baggers are totally incapable of right now. You really only need to get rid of your black president and your happiness will return. Racism is a hell of a thing isn't it.

Another issue that needs discussing is the notion I've heard lately of the divide between the north and the south has something to do with all your country's problems. It's the idea that the south never did accept defeat and is still trying to fight the civil war all over again. Considering the mentality of lowlife trash in your country's south, I think the idea has some merit.

A black president is just totally out of the question. That's your country's biggest problem by far.
 
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Indeed, lack of spending in the right places is part of the problem. While waste is also an element that needs to be considered. But both pale in importance when put up against the problem of the very wealthy having stolen your country's prosperity. The simple fact that your country's income inequality is second worst in the world behind Mexico should be telling clearly what the major problem really is. And of course that along with the fact that your country has the highest per capita incomes in the entire world.

I consider your argument of putting it back at the state level as opposed to federal spending to be a dishonest argument. That is simply because it's an argument for less social spending in states of the rightist persuasion. Or in other words, the dismal socially irresponsible hell that is now Texas would become even more so.

If you want a rational discussion then act rational. Telling me that I want more spending is because that's the way I roll is nothing but meaningless drivel. I've made the attempt to refrain from the derogatory labelling of the tea party now, show that you can rise above yours too.

If you are able to do that then I will start by telling you that Obama, through force or otherwise, has embarked on a mission to lower your country's debt. If you are honest you will admit that he has been successful in doing just that. His ACA would accomplish just that and so any adversity to it is totally irrational and political hate based.
No...it is putting fiscal responsibility where it belongs. States cannot easily hide trillions of dollars of debt. Every state that offers services would simply be on the hook to PAY for them. I have no problem with citizens of the states requiring social spending. They simply would need to pay as they go and be responsible for the spending. Theres that whole responsibility thing again. Sucks...I know.

Your last line is comical beyond words. Truly indicative of your mindset.
 
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It's the US that's out of step.

The US doesn't need to be in step with any other country.

(you'll notice I snipped your racist blather)
 
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Bush won't run.

But, you know, much as it amuses me to see your Canadian, ultra-left nonsense, what really amuses me is when I think about how Obama is responsible for Cruz winning his Senate seat.

LOL!!

Funny you should mention that about Cruz. Here's another take.

Ted Cruz does not represent the people of Texas because the people of Texas didn’t elect him. Ted Cruz represents a very small percentage of crazy people who cared enough about their agenda to take the time to vote. They are the same crazy people that supported GW Bush at the end of his presidency, they are the same crazy people that like Dick Cheney, they are the same crazy people who think Sarah Palin is qualified to be POTUS and they are the same crazy people who currently approve of Congress when they shut down the government. But they are the minority, not the majority. And yet they are portrayed by the media as the voice of the people. It makes me want to throw a shoe at the TV.

The actual statistics show that Ted Cruz was elected by 4.4 million people in a state of 30 million. There are more people living in Harris County Texas, the state’s most populated county, than voted for Ted Cruz. There are more people living in Texas without insurance than voted for Ted Cruz.
Daily Kos: Ted Cruz
 
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You don't have to be crazy to like Dick Cheney. Awesome mother****er.
 
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Oh, please...

You haven't proven anything. Heck, you haven't even successfully disputed anything that writer said. All you've done is trotted out a poll or two.

You mean... I've trotted out the fact that every poll showed there would be a run-off election? Both before AND after March 6th? Well - alright. You're trying to expand your goal posts too much to defend a weakly sourced Op-Ed.

The fact is, if the primary had been as originally scheduled, Cruz wouldn't have won

Neither would Dewhurts, which is why we there was a run-off election - we have gone over this. :shrug:
 
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Neither would Dewhurts, which is why we there was a run-off election - we have gone over this. :shrug:

Did you cut off my quote on purpose?

LOL!!
 
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I feel like I have already succeeded in part by having you acknowledge that taxes need to go up. And to say that taxes don't need to go up to fund more spending is at least something we can partially agree upon. The reason I say 'partially' is because it appears from my outsider's viewpoint that spending is lacking in some areas. While of course I acknowledge that spending is wasteful in others. These are the ills that inflict all democracies within the capitalist system.

A careful and considerate analysis of the status quo is required, not a kneejerk response such as is the tea party's. If perhaps you are able to acknowledge that then I think you are thinking a lot deeper than most of it's supporters. I know what they are! Their base is in libertarianism which in my opinion has been coopted away from that persuasion into serving the interests of the Koch brothers and their political ilk. An ilk that is totally concerned with lower taxation for them, not lower taxation for the ordinary guy. That's an impossibility, which incidentally you appear to understand quite well. And along with that there is the racist element. If you can't concede that then indeed we have nothing much to talk about. Only the degree to which it infests the tea parties is debatable.

But let me return to my reference to 'kneejerk' reactions. I believe that a large part of the tea party is involving themselves in just that, even though I think that it's also race motivated. Taxes has become a buzzword that is harangued over with no real understanding of what it means to far too many of them. In fact, they're not mostly compalaining about their own tax base as they are complaining about the unequal tax base. Hence they scream of a fair tax and equal taxation without even giving an honest thought as to what the consequences would be.

Aside from that, I'm very well versed in the libertarian agenda and the supplyside agenda as I took part on the supplyside forum and Jude Wanniski's talkshop for over ten years. Don't feel you need to talk in elementary terms with me on those topics. I know all about the 'pie in the sky' ideas of both. Or in truth 'that' because in an honest analysis, they're one and the same.

I would suggest that America's problem isn't one of spending. That's my opening bid. The problem is one of not enough taxation and too many exemptions, tax dodges, earmarks to serve the wealthy, and so on. Simply put, I'm not afraid to suggest that it's not a case of the middle class and the poor trying to steal the money of the rich, it's a case of the middle class and poor trying to take back enough of what has been stolen from them in order to live a satisfactory lifestyle.

And of course, I'm talking from a position of relative success as a Canadian. I think you would serve yourself well to give some consideration to what does work and what is obviously not working. Patriotism and pride needs to be placed on the back burner for a while. Not only is it destructive to your cause, it's being used by the wealthy to destroy your cause.
First.

Knee jerk reaction by the Tea Parties [they, we, are plural you know, not monolithic like some other parties we know of ],eh? Can you be a bit lesser broad brushed, mi amigo del norte, that nails may be properly driven into each particular prevarication following your trail down a rabbit hole... just a suggestion.

Lets see...so then, you only want this side to just cave immediately, however awesome of you...then you, we might have us a decent conversation, huh? Because, even without a shred of proof we are automatically to jump upon your bandwagon along aside all other unproven negatives hurled at Tea Partiers, and for what...really?

Rather it may be, because, deep down [don't worry, we all already know ], your side has corrupted in on itself, perhaps some has even rubbed off, hard not to, but now only vicariously sensing what, on this side of the border, being a Real American's about,and even more rarely able to have your own taste.

Barking/jerkin this Koch stuff all about is just taking this way past its mainly hyped confabulatiousness, well past its expiration date. People on this side say similar trash re: your Soros guy, so get off trying to make it look like your side doesn't have the questionable guy/girl types..."assisting". Not saying its right on either side...another reason to look Tea Party...not a problem there...control is still pretty diffuse.

Ah, so there's where the kneejerk reaction comment comes from. Your side's obsessive fixation. You know, I don't think I have met a single fellow nor gentlelady TPartier that ever even talked about the race of the President, except to perhaps discuss being called a racist... for no reason...again.

Oh, and the other reason. Why else?

The leftist maladies he is inflicting us with... pestilence or plague, pick your poison.

You really, and I mean it, have the Tea Parties pretty much wrong. Dunno who you got scouting us, but wow, hope your are not paying them. Now you may still believe something radically different than what we may, that's just being American [even if Canadian American]... but to go so low, call us names like racists and all those others... kinda sad....plus just bad karma dude. Get how that incense smoke is a-drifting now?

Oh, and we do, we really most certainly do, need spending cuts. I mean you are joking right, are not, not with a straight face, gonna tell me we don't are you? I may even agree we may need some raising as well, but as was stated wisely earlier, needs to be targeted towards reducing the debt and deficits...ONLY... I know that side likes to spend like the credit card has no limit...but...dudes....come on...
 
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Did you cut off my quote on purpose?

LOL!!

Yes. I ignored the rest of your demonstratively false statement.
 
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They act like democrtats, they're RINO's.

Really? Being a conservative that wants the deficit and debt reduced, and the budget balanced, and the Tenth Amendment enforced, and a fair, truly fair tax code, makes them act like Democrats?

What makes us different than Cruz and the Democrats you speak of, is that we understand that we aren't the end all know all of everything.

You guys need to work with your friends, and not turn everyone against you with your hatred and unsustainable tactics. And that word, unsustainable, should be familiar to anyone that wants to reduce our debt and deficit.



I don't think it's a "scorched Earth" tactic to use the tools that the Constitution gives you. The democrats never hesitate, that's how they shoved the law through in the first place. It's not really reasonable to ask the republicans to hold back when the democrats haven't.

Read my reply above. You just accused Republicans that don't agree with your tactics as acting like Democrats therefore they're RINO's, yet here above, you defend the Tea Party (Cruz and the like) for acting like and using the same tactics as Democrats by trying to force your agenda down the throats of the whole country.

So which is it? We're the RINO's? Or are you???


I am glad they decided to do something, so far, the coordinated strategy is to do nothing.

No, the coordinated strategy is to use the system that exists. Which would have worked, had ObamaCare not been the first target of the Tea Party. If the first target would have been the debt, deficit and budget, the Democrats would have been on the defensive, and would have had to negotiate. As it was, the Tea Party gave the Democrats every weapon they needed to go on the offensive and make Cruz look like an outlying extremist. He's his own worst enemy, and doing more harm to the country than the Democrats unsustainable debt and deficits, by killing the relevance of the Republican Party in the national debate.

Cruz and Palin are working for Cruz and Palin. Not for the country.

The people that can't win elections are the Romney, McCain, and Jeb Bush types, not conservatives like Cruz.

Please explain to me, how Ted Cruz can win a National Election? Please... I would love to hear your plan as to how this could ever happen.


The house, unlike the Senate, is always up for election, 100% of it. It was an easy win for republicans.

The House is elected by their singular districts. Comparing the US House of Representatives to a National Election is one of the false equivalencies that the Tea Party has made over and over. The Senate is better gauge, but is still not a guarantee of accuracy. The only nationally elected federal official is the President and VP. And that election is the only one that counts for a party as whole. I can explain further if you don't understand that.



So, they wielded the power that they have with the House.

No they didn't. They misapplied that power and got their ass handed to them. They should have coordinated the strategy and focused on attainable goals.

The proof in my statements is the result of their failure.
 
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First of all, everybody in the United States has the right to determine what he/she thinks is a Republican or not. People who are wishy-washy at this late stage of this game need to make their own choice...but that will not stop me from deciding if they are in the right camp or not.

Secondly, We the people out here have seen what those of you who call for this big tent strategy have gotten us... a long time under Democrat and Democrat-light Federal governments which do nothing to cut departments, which do nothing to cut spending except some minimal increases in the growth of spending, have barely slowed down government encroachment into every aspect of our lives...who have not stopped the massive hemorrhage of bleeding the true blood of our culture in the culture wars... we watch as the RINO strategists keep telling us, play for that big win, that big win that never truly comes... or if we do win, what we get is just a little better than what the other side would have given us.

I naively signed onto that strategy myself in the hopes it would be for the better, the lesser of two evils...but getting a lesser evil followed by a larger evil has pointed out to me the error of my mistaken thought processes.

Third, piggybacking on the former point... you don't ask the devil to help out, to work on your side...AND, and sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire. Have we fallen for the liberals 60s mantra, make love not war? Sometimes you have to do the war thing, sometimes, as proven by Sherman's March, maybe even the scorched earth thing giving a badly needed victory to US, like it did old Abe. I agree with this GW point, you are either with us or you are against us.

McCain is not sufficiently with us, he has killed conservatism with a 1000 paper cuts that just eat like termites away at my inner core beliefs. I don't wanna die on the battle field like that... would rather stand up and aim cannons straight at the enemy, shoot deserters and hang the ones we find find working with the enemy [ metaphorically obviously ].

The Tea Parties are the only truly honest parties in the country...they represent what is needed to get us back on course fiscally, politically and, to a much lesser extent, socially. We need that direction for all three. If we keep on going like the Republican Party has, it is already a dead party. I sure don't want any part of just being the Fabian Wing of the Democrat Party.

While winning may be necessary to get anything done, if you get nothing done when you do win except to just go on a slower pace towards decline than the other party... hey, might as well get there faster so we can break it down and start over...

I am unwilling to be a slave... that is ultimately where this is headed if not headed off at the pass.

Wow... just... wow.

I'll let your statements just lie there and speak for themselves.

Scary... just damn scary... what a nightmarish strategy.

I just pray that more thoughtful and intelligent members of my party prevail. We have many, no most, of the same goals. Some of us however know that the way to deactivate a nuclear weapon is not to set if off. You can get the same result by blowing it up (we don't have to worry anymore about the bomb going off) but the results of our actions are extremely different. I prefer to defuse the problem and dispose of it safely, rather than destroying everything that I'm trying to save in the process.
 
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First.

Knee jerk reaction by the Tea Parties [they, we, are plural you know, not monolithic like some other parties we know of ],eh? Can you be a bit lesser broad brushed, mi amigo del norte, that nails may be properly driven into each particular prevarication following your trail down a rabbit hole... just a suggestion.

Lets see...so then, you only want this side to just cave immediately, however awesome of you...then you, we might have us a decent conversation, huh? Because, even without a shred of proof we are automatically to jump upon your bandwagon along aside all other unproven negatives hurled at Tea Partiers, and for what...really?

Rather it may be, because, deep down [don't worry, we all already know ], your side has corrupted in on itself, perhaps some has even rubbed off, hard not to, but now only vicariously sensing what, on this side of the border, being a Real American's about,and even more rarely able to have your own taste.

Barking/jerkin this Koch stuff all about is just taking this way past its mainly hyped confabulatiousness, well past its expiration date. People on this side say similar trash re: your Soros guy, so get off trying to make it look like your side doesn't have the questionable guy/girl types..."assisting". Not saying its right on either side...another reason to look Tea Party...not a problem there...control is still pretty diffuse.

Ah, so there's where the kneejerk reaction comment comes from. Your side's obsessive fixation. You know, I don't think I have met a single fellow nor gentlelady TPartier that ever even talked about the race of the President, except to perhaps discuss being called a racist... for no reason...again.

Oh, and the other reason. Why else?

The leftist maladies he is inflicting us with... pestilence or plague, pick your poison.

You really, and I mean it, have the Tea Parties pretty much wrong. Dunno who you got scouting us, but wow, hope your are not paying them. Now you may still believe something radically different than what we may, that's just being American [even if Canadian American]... but to go so low, call us names like racists and all those others... kinda sad....plus just bad karma dude. Get how that incense smoke is a-drifting now?

Oh, and we do, we really most certainly do, need spending cuts. I mean you are joking right, are not, not with a straight face, gonna tell me we don't are you? I may even agree we may need some raising as well, but as was stated wisely earlier, needs to be targeted towards reducing the debt and deficits...ONLY... I know that side likes to spend like the credit card has no limit...but...dudes....come on...

Baggers! Defending the indefensible. If they hadn't aligned themselves with the racist pigs in their midst then the charge of racism wouldn't stick. It does! Your only problem is that you can't get over the fact that your president is black and blacks with power are uppity to baggers.

Don't worry, you'll all get over it when you disintegrate into various extremist factions when Obama's term is over. You won't have a cause anymore.
 
Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

Yes. I ignored the rest of your demonstratively false statement.

Oh, you aren't fooling anyone. Much like your blather about whether Cruz's seat was a safe seat for Republicans or not...which you didn't give up on till I soundly dismissed it...the part you cut off just didn't fit your narrative. It had to go.

So it goes when liberals try to debate. Tricks are everything...
 
Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

Bush may be the past, but if Cruz is the future of the Republican Party, the future is bleak.

RINO??? What gives anyone the right to determine who can and cannot be a Republican or define what a TRUE Republican is?

I agree with the basic premise of the original Tea Party movement, of getting our spending and debt under control.

I do not agree with, or support, the scorched earth tactics that SOME Tea Partiers are using... Like Cruz.

What Jeb Bush said, was dead on. The hyperbolic rhetoric and "my way or the highway" tactics are the exact same tactics that the President and the Democrats in the Congress are using. A person looses all credibility in my eyes when they do exactly what they complain about others doing.

We can agree on the goal, but we need to coordinate a strategy, instead of having the Tea Party extreme taking their own path which is leading to self destruction of the Republican Party.

What they will end up with, if they keep this up, is a core group of people in this country that will NEVER be able to win a nationwide election (President), or enough state wide elections to control the Senate, and there are not enough House districts that have enough like minded people to control the House of Representatives.

So what they are doing, is hastening their own irrelevance in US politics.

YOU HAVE TO BE IN POWER (win elections) TO WIELD POWER (rule and control the government) AND EFFECT A CHANGE (realize and implement your agenda and policies). Currently, that doesn't seem to be the goal of Ted Cruz, not by any realistic evaluation of the facts.
Sounds like you're encouraging him (and all pols) to be slimier. Say what you need to in order to populate government, then do whatever you want when you get there. I don't like Cruz, don't like his politics at all, or his maneuverings, but I do give him credit for voicing opinion clearly, he should have done what he could without encouraging the shut down, but other than going too far, he voted the way he said he would, so if nothing else at this point, I'll give him credit for not being two faced. Of course if he gets elected President, he'll do whatever MIC, and big business tell him to do, just like every other president before (with rare exceptions, none recently).
 
Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

Oh, you aren't fooling anyone.

By proving your claim to be false and meeting every attempt to widen your goal posts? Hahaha. I'm not trying to. Tell us, what was polling like 2 months before the election was supposed to take place? Would Dewhurst have won the primary with his 35%?

Much like your blather about whether Cruz's seat was a safe seat for Republicans or not

Which it was. Can you show he didn't win a safe Republican seat? Start by showing us the last time the seat has been Democrat. :)

the part you cut off just didn't fit your narrative. It had to go.

It's a repetition of the same claim which has already been proven to be false.
 
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