Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary
I feel like I have already succeeded in part by having you acknowledge that taxes need to go up. And to say that taxes don't need to go up to fund more spending is at least something we can partially agree upon. The reason I say 'partially' is because it appears from my outsider's viewpoint that spending is lacking in some areas. While of course I acknowledge that spending is wasteful in others. These are the ills that inflict all democracies within the capitalist system.
A careful and considerate analysis of the status quo is required, not a kneejerk response such as is the tea party's. If perhaps you are able to acknowledge that then I think you are thinking a lot deeper than most of it's supporters. I know what they are! Their base is in libertarianism which in my opinion has been coopted away from that persuasion into serving the interests of the Koch brothers and their political ilk. An ilk that is totally concerned with lower taxation for them, not lower taxation for the ordinary guy. That's an impossibility, which incidentally you appear to understand quite well. And along with that there is the racist element. If you can't concede that then indeed we have nothing much to talk about. Only the degree to which it infests the tea parties is debatable.
But let me return to my reference to 'kneejerk' reactions. I believe that a large part of the tea party is involving themselves in just that, even though I think that it's also race motivated. Taxes has become a buzzword that is harangued over with no real understanding of what it means to far too many of them. In fact, they're not mostly compalaining about their own tax base as they are complaining about the unequal tax base. Hence they scream of a fair tax and equal taxation without even giving an honest thought as to what the consequences would be.
Aside from that, I'm very well versed in the libertarian agenda and the supplyside agenda as I took part on the supplyside forum and Jude Wanniski's talkshop for over ten years. Don't feel you need to talk in elementary terms with me on those topics. I know all about the 'pie in the sky' ideas of both. Or in truth 'that' because in an honest analysis, they're one and the same.
I would suggest that America's problem isn't one of spending. That's my opening bid. The problem is one of not enough taxation and too many exemptions, tax dodges, earmarks to serve the wealthy, and so on. Simply put, I'm not afraid to suggest that it's not a case of the middle class and the poor trying to steal the money of the rich, it's a case of the middle class and poor trying to take back enough of what has been stolen from them in order to live a satisfactory lifestyle.
And of course, I'm talking from a position of relative success as a Canadian. I think you would serve yourself well to give some consideration to what does work and what is obviously not working. Patriotism and pride needs to be placed on the back burner for a while. Not only is it destructive to your cause, it's being used by the wealthy to destroy your cause.
First.
Knee jerk reaction by the Tea Parties [
they, we, are plural you know, not monolithic like some other parties we know of ],eh? Can you be a
bit lesser broad brushed,
mi amigo del norte, that nails may be properly driven into each particular prevarication following your trail down a rabbit hole...
just a suggestion.
Lets see...so then, you only want this side to just cave immediately, however awesome of you...then you, we might have us a decent conversation, huh? Because, even without a shred of proof we are automatically to jump upon your bandwagon along aside all other unproven negatives hurled at Tea Partiers, and for what...really?
Rather it may be, because, deep down [
don't worry, we all already know ], your side has corrupted in on itself, perhaps some has even rubbed off, hard not to, but now only vicariously sensing what, on this side of the border, being a Real American's about,and even more rarely able to have your own taste.
Barking/jerkin this Koch stuff all about is just taking this way past its mainly hyped confabulatiousness, well past its expiration date. People on this side say similar trash re:
your Soros guy, so get off trying to make it look like your side doesn't have the
questionable guy/girl types..."assisting". Not saying its right on either side...another reason to look Tea Party...not a problem there...control is still pretty diffuse.
Ah, so there's where the kneejerk reaction comment comes from. Your side's obsessive fixation. You know, I don't think I have met a single fellow nor gentlelady TPartier that ever even talked about the race of the President, except to perhaps discuss being called a racist... for no reason...again.
Oh, and the other reason. Why else?
The leftist maladies he is inflicting us with... pestilence or plague, pick your poison.
You really,
and I mean it, have the Tea Parties pretty much wrong. Dunno who you got scouting us, but wow, hope your are not paying them. Now you may still believe something radically different than what we may, that's just being American [even if Canadian American]... but to go so low, call us names like racists and all those others... kinda sad....plus just bad karma dude. Get how that incense smoke is
a-drifting now?
Oh, and we do,
we really most certainly do, need spending cuts. I mean you are joking right, are not, not with a straight face, gonna tell me we don't are you? I may even agree we may need some raising as well, but as was stated wisely earlier, needs to be targeted towards reducing the debt and deficits...ONLY... I know that side likes to spend like the credit card has no limit...but...
dudes....come on...