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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    I'm not suggesting they will fight Jeb if he runs, I'm suggesting that they are not likely to fight him 'before' he runs. The fight is going to be on long before it's time for an election.

    He's clearly made his choice to take on the challenge by trashing Cruz!
    I'd love to see the two debate. I'd bet Cruz would crush Bush within the first 15 minutes. I think what scares liberals the most is that Cruz isn't scared of anyone, and is willing to take on the biggest wheels from either party. He isn't there for the party, he's there for his constituents.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    shrug...

    but that's not as funny as Obama helping Cruz win.
    LOL The Republican machine helping Cruz win is even funnier. Not to mention all the T's that lost seats for the GOP.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You seem hung up on run offs.
    Ah, moving the goalposts again because the run-offs which you insisted were the result of Obama's lawsuit would have happened REGARDLESS of whether the primary had been held in May or January. Lol, you've gotten so ridiculously obliterated in this thread it's funny.

    Here are your claims:

    Dewhurst would have won the primary if it hadn't been for Obama's lawsuit.

    False: Dewhurst did not have the necessary 50% to win the primary at any point before March 6th. Why do I say before? Because you asked for polls which showed the %s before the 6th. They support my claims. Not yours. However, you ignored that and moved to something else. Par for the course.

    Ted Cruz wouldn't have been Senator if it hadn't been for Obama's lawsuit.

    False: Ted Cruz running unopposed would have give the greatest possibility of there being a Cruz victory as the state is safely held by Republicans. However, judging by Texas' love affair with Tea Partiers (14/36 districts being held by self declared Tea Party allies), Ted Cruz was perfectly positioned for a win or at the very least have a strong show. Again, facts MyCroft, are not on your side. Ted Cruz won a Republican senator's seat, in a state that heavily supports the Tea Party. Trying to state that Obama's lawsuit somehow made it possible for him to get elected is not only dishonest but willfully ignorant of facts. Actually, it's delusions of grandeur in the name of partisanship.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'd love to see the two debate. I'd bet Cruz would crush Bush within the first 15 minutes. I think what scares liberals the most is that Cruz isn't scared of anyone, and is willing to take on the biggest wheels from either party. He isn't there for the party, he's there for his constituents.
    Why is it considered sensible by populists to do this? Indeed, many of us party-minded folk are scared of it, but that's not because it somehow is the right way to do things and we thus stand opposed to it. It's because we party and authority-minded folk think that this is an awfully stupid means of behaving in politics. Rabble rousing in American politics is fantastic for theater, but rarely useful otherwise. Cruz is getting hammered by his own party for his antics, and rightly so. I'll take the crusty Washington insider any day.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL The Republican machine helping Cruz win is even funnier. Not to mention all the T's that lost seats for the GOP.
    The Republican machine didn't want and didn't help Cruz win. They wanted Dewhurst.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, moving the goalposts again because the run-offs which you insisted were the result of Obama's lawsuit would have happened REGARDLESS of whether the primary had been held in May or January. Lol, you've gotten so ridiculously obliterated in this thread it's funny.

    Here are your claims:

    Dewhurst would have won the primary if it hadn't been for Obama's lawsuit.

    False: Dewhurst did not have the necessary 50% to win the primary at any point before March 6th. Why do I say before? Because you asked for polls which showed the %s before the 6th. They support my claims. Not yours. However, you ignored that and moved to something else. Par for the course.

    Ted Cruz wouldn't have been Senator if it hadn't been for Obama's lawsuit.

    False: Ted Cruz running unopposed would have give the greatest possibility of there being a Cruz victory as the state is safely held by Republicans. However, judging by Texas' love affair with Tea Partiers (14/36 districts being held by self declared Tea Party allies), Ted Cruz was perfectly positioned for a win or at the very least have a strong show. Again, facts MyCroft, are not on your side. Ted Cruz won a Republican senator's seat, in a state that heavily supports the Tea Party. Trying to state that Obama's lawsuit somehow made it possible for him to get elected is not only dishonest but willfully ignorant of facts. Actually, it's delusions of grandeur in the name of partisanship.
    You are the one hung up on run offs.

    My claims have been simple:

    1. If the primary had happened as originally scheduled, Dewhurst would be the Senator.

    2. Since the primary happened months later, Cruz won.

    3. Obama's actions caused the primary date to shift, causing Cruz to win.

    Now...you should:

    1. Show how Dewhurst would have lost if the primary had happened on schedule.

    2. Show how Dewhurst could have won the primary after the date shifted.

    3. Show how Obama's actions had nothing to do with the date shifting.

    If you can't do all of those...or any of those, for that matter...then you have proved nothing.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You are the one hung up on run offs.

    My claims have been simple:

    1. If the primary had happened as originally scheduled, Dewhurst would be the Senator.
    This is impossible as Dewhurst did not have the 50% required.

    2. Since the primary happened months later, Cruz won.
    Lol, Cruz won the run-off. You're getting your false claims mixed up again.

    3. Obama's actions caused the primary date to shift, causing Cruz to win.
    Ahahahaha, as Cruz didn't win a primary but a run-off, which would have happened anyways, you're simply wrong.

    Now...you should:

    1. Show how Dewhurst would have lost if the primary had happened on schedule.
    I don't need to. I just have to show Dewhurst wasn't going to win the primary. Which is not the same as losing the primary. Dewhurst won the primary and still lost the run-off. The run-off part would have happened anyways, regardless of how often you state it wouldn't. How do I know? Polls. I'm the only one here who has consistently used polling to back up his assertion.

    2. Show how Dewhurst could have won the primary after the date shifted.

    3. Show how Obama's actions had nothing to do with the date shifting.

    If you can't do all of those...or any of those, for that matter...then you have proved nothing.
    Lol, I don't have to prove negatives my lying friend. That's a fallacy. You claimed Dewhurst would have won the primary in the pre-March 6th period. Polling of the pre-March 6th period shows that at the very least there would have a run-off regardless. Which directly contradicts your statement.

    Again: How is it possible Dewhurst could win primary with 36%-38% if it takes 50% to actually declare a winner?

    Still can't answer such a simple question can you? Even if the primary had been held as far back as December, Dewhurst still did not have the numbers. Making the claim he would have won a primary damn near impossible in reality world.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    I agree with Bush as far as his strategy regarding Obamacare. The Republicans should have insisted the law apply to everyone equally, no exceptions, instead of trying to delay implementation. Then watch liberals backpedal as their health care premiums double or even triple, and deductibles do the same over then next year.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    I find it interesting not only that few posters seem to be discussing the merits of what former Governor Jeb Bush said but Conservative Republicans in particular seem to be embracing Ted Cruz at their own peril. That I find astonishing! And you do so for one simple reason: Because of the anti-Obama narrative he supports never mind that his actions of late have caused the Republican Party poll numbers to plunge AND the that respected members of the party now view Cruz as "extreme".

    It's as if everything you guys once disliked about then Senator Obama you'll completely ignore in a Conservative Republican even if a lot about Cruz mirrors the up-start-Senator Obama.

    Dual-citizen at best, non-natural born citizen at worse.

    Hold "extreme" views and will take "extreme" positions even if it mean taking the entire country down with him.

    Young Senator who somehow amassed a large voice in DC. (Has anyone bothered to ask how is it that a JUNIOR Senator somehow became so influential?)

    The only thing Ted Cruz stands for is anything anti-Obama, and that seems to be okay with most Conservative-Republicans who flock to this guy like a moth to a flame. I'd like to know what does he really stand for other than anti-Obama rants and rhetorical talking points? But speaking directly to Jeb Bush's comments, he is doing the party a lot of damage because he seems to act of his own accord without giving much though as to the consequences of his actions. It's no wonder he and Sarah Palin are paired together; they're both rouge Republicans.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is impossible as Dewhurst did not have the 50% required.



    Lol, Cruz won the run-off. You're getting your false claims mixed up again.



    Ahahahaha, as Cruz didn't win a primary but a run-off, which would have happened anyways, you're simply wrong.



    I don't need to. I just have to show Dewhurst wasn't going to win the primary. Which is not the same as losing the primary. Dewhurst won the primary and still lost the run-off. The run-off part would have happened anyways, regardless of how often you state it wouldn't. How do I know? Polls. I'm the only one here who has consistently used polling to back up his assertion.



    Lol, I don't have to prove negatives my lying friend. That's a fallacy. You claimed Dewhurst would have won the primary in the pre-March 6th period. Polling of the pre-March 6th period shows that at the very least there would have a run-off regardless. Which directly contradicts your statement.

    Again: How is it possible Dewhurst could win primary with 36%-38% if it takes 50% to actually declare a winner?

    Still can't answer such a simple question can you? Even if the primary had been held as far back as December, Dewhurst still did not have the numbers. Making the claim he would have won a primary damn near impossible in reality world.
    sigh...

    As long as you are hung up on run offs, there is no hope for you...as well as your contention that Dewhurst could never have won the original primary. (btw, the primary and the resulting run off...if necessary...are part of the same election process)

    Since you aren't going to use logic and reason, I'm done with you.

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