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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    First of all, everybody in the United States has the right to determine what he/she thinks is a Republican or not. People who are wishy-washy at this late stage of this game need to make their own choice...but that will not stop me from deciding if they are in the right camp or not.

    Secondly, We the people out here have seen what those of you who call for this big tent strategy have gotten us... a long time under Democrat and Democrat-light Federal governments which do nothing to cut departments, which do nothing to cut spending except some minimal increases in the growth of spending, have barely slowed down government encroachment into every aspect of our lives...who have not stopped the massive hemorrhage of bleeding the true blood of our culture in the culture wars... we watch as the RINO strategists keep telling us, play for that big win, that big win that never truly comes... or if we do win, what we get is just a little better than what the other side would have given us.

    I naively signed onto that strategy myself in the hopes it would be for the better, the lesser of two evils...but getting a lesser evil followed by a larger evil has pointed out to me the error of my mistaken thought processes.

    Third, piggybacking on the former point... you don't ask the devil to help out, to work on your side...AND, and sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire. Have we fallen for the liberals 60s mantra, make love not war? Sometimes you have to do the war thing, sometimes, as proven by Sherman's March, maybe even the scorched earth thing giving a badly needed victory to US, like it did old Abe. I agree with this GW point, you are either with us or you are against us.

    McCain is not sufficiently with us, he has killed conservatism with a 1000 paper cuts that just eat like termites away at my inner core beliefs. I don't wanna die on the battle field like that... would rather stand up and aim cannons straight at the enemy, shoot deserters and hang the ones we find find working with the enemy [ metaphorically obviously ].

    The Tea Parties are the only truly honest parties in the country...they represent what is needed to get us back on course fiscally, politically and, to a much lesser extent, socially. We need that direction for all three. If we keep on going like the Republican Party has, it is already a dead party. I sure don't want any part of just being the Fabian Wing of the Democrat Party.

    While winning may be necessary to get anything done, if you get nothing done when you do win except to just go on a slower pace towards decline than the other party... hey, might as well get there faster so we can break it down and start over...

    I am unwilling to be a slave... that is ultimately where this is headed if not headed off at the pass.
    Wow... just... wow.

    I'll let your statements just lie there and speak for themselves.

    Scary... just damn scary... what a nightmarish strategy.

    I just pray that more thoughtful and intelligent members of my party prevail. We have many, no most, of the same goals. Some of us however know that the way to deactivate a nuclear weapon is not to set if off. You can get the same result by blowing it up (we don't have to worry anymore about the bomb going off) but the results of our actions are extremely different. I prefer to defuse the problem and dispose of it safely, rather than destroying everything that I'm trying to save in the process.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    First.

    Knee jerk reaction by the Tea Parties [they, we, are plural you know, not monolithic like some other parties we know of ],eh? Can you be a bit lesser broad brushed, mi amigo del norte, that nails may be properly driven into each particular prevarication following your trail down a rabbit hole... just a suggestion.

    Lets see...so then, you only want this side to just cave immediately, however awesome of you...then you, we might have us a decent conversation, huh? Because, even without a shred of proof we are automatically to jump upon your bandwagon along aside all other unproven negatives hurled at Tea Partiers, and for what...really?

    Rather it may be, because, deep down [don't worry, we all already know ], your side has corrupted in on itself, perhaps some has even rubbed off, hard not to, but now only vicariously sensing what, on this side of the border, being a Real American's about,and even more rarely able to have your own taste.

    Barking/jerkin this Koch stuff all about is just taking this way past its mainly hyped confabulatiousness, well past its expiration date. People on this side say similar trash re: your Soros guy, so get off trying to make it look like your side doesn't have the questionable guy/girl types..."assisting". Not saying its right on either side...another reason to look Tea Party...not a problem there...control is still pretty diffuse.

    Ah, so there's where the kneejerk reaction comment comes from. Your side's obsessive fixation. You know, I don't think I have met a single fellow nor gentlelady TPartier that ever even talked about the race of the President, except to perhaps discuss being called a racist... for no reason...again.

    Oh, and the other reason. Why else?

    The leftist maladies he is inflicting us with... pestilence or plague, pick your poison.

    You really, and I mean it, have the Tea Parties pretty much wrong. Dunno who you got scouting us, but wow, hope your are not paying them. Now you may still believe something radically different than what we may, that's just being American [even if Canadian American]... but to go so low, call us names like racists and all those others... kinda sad....plus just bad karma dude. Get how that incense smoke is a-drifting now?

    Oh, and we do, we really most certainly do, need spending cuts. I mean you are joking right, are not, not with a straight face, gonna tell me we don't are you? I may even agree we may need some raising as well, but as was stated wisely earlier, needs to be targeted towards reducing the debt and deficits...ONLY... I know that side likes to spend like the credit card has no limit...but...dudes....come on...
    Baggers! Defending the indefensible. If they hadn't aligned themselves with the racist pigs in their midst then the charge of racism wouldn't stick. It does! Your only problem is that you can't get over the fact that your president is black and blacks with power are uppity to baggers.

    Don't worry, you'll all get over it when you disintegrate into various extremist factions when Obama's term is over. You won't have a cause anymore.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes. I ignored the rest of your demonstratively false statement.
    Oh, you aren't fooling anyone. Much like your blather about whether Cruz's seat was a safe seat for Republicans or not...which you didn't give up on till I soundly dismissed it...the part you cut off just didn't fit your narrative. It had to go.

    So it goes when liberals try to debate. Tricks are everything...
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Bush may be the past, but if Cruz is the future of the Republican Party, the future is bleak.

    RINO??? What gives anyone the right to determine who can and cannot be a Republican or define what a TRUE Republican is?

    I agree with the basic premise of the original Tea Party movement, of getting our spending and debt under control.

    I do not agree with, or support, the scorched earth tactics that SOME Tea Partiers are using... Like Cruz.

    What Jeb Bush said, was dead on. The hyperbolic rhetoric and "my way or the highway" tactics are the exact same tactics that the President and the Democrats in the Congress are using. A person looses all credibility in my eyes when they do exactly what they complain about others doing.

    We can agree on the goal, but we need to coordinate a strategy, instead of having the Tea Party extreme taking their own path which is leading to self destruction of the Republican Party.

    What they will end up with, if they keep this up, is a core group of people in this country that will NEVER be able to win a nationwide election (President), or enough state wide elections to control the Senate, and there are not enough House districts that have enough like minded people to control the House of Representatives.

    So what they are doing, is hastening their own irrelevance in US politics.

    YOU HAVE TO BE IN POWER (win elections) TO WIELD POWER (rule and control the government) AND EFFECT A CHANGE (realize and implement your agenda and policies). Currently, that doesn't seem to be the goal of Ted Cruz, not by any realistic evaluation of the facts.
    Sounds like you're encouraging him (and all pols) to be slimier. Say what you need to in order to populate government, then do whatever you want when you get there. I don't like Cruz, don't like his politics at all, or his maneuverings, but I do give him credit for voicing opinion clearly, he should have done what he could without encouraging the shut down, but other than going too far, he voted the way he said he would, so if nothing else at this point, I'll give him credit for not being two faced. Of course if he gets elected President, he'll do whatever MIC, and big business tell him to do, just like every other president before (with rare exceptions, none recently).
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, you aren't fooling anyone.
    By proving your claim to be false and meeting every attempt to widen your goal posts? Hahaha. I'm not trying to. Tell us, what was polling like 2 months before the election was supposed to take place? Would Dewhurst have won the primary with his 35%?

    Much like your blather about whether Cruz's seat was a safe seat for Republicans or not
    Which it was. Can you show he didn't win a safe Republican seat? Start by showing us the last time the seat has been Democrat.

    the part you cut off just didn't fit your narrative. It had to go.
    It's a repetition of the same claim which has already been proven to be false.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Wow... just... wow.

    I'll let your statements just lie there and speak for themselves.

    Scary... just damn scary... what a nightmarish strategy.

    I just pray that more thoughtful and intelligent members of my party prevail. We have many, no most, of the same goals. Some of us however know that the way to deactivate a nuclear weapon is not to set if off. You can get the same result by blowing it up (we don't have to worry anymore about the bomb going off) but the results of our actions are extremely different. I prefer to defuse the problem and dispose of it safely, rather than destroying everything that I'm trying to save in the process.
    Thank you, I appreciate it.

    Can ya see? See just where your feeble type ideas has gotten us? Its damn foolishness to keep getting slapped and then wonder.

    Huh, why?

    SLAPPPP!!!

    Huh?
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    By proving your claim to be false and meeting every attempt to widen your goal posts? Hahaha. I'm not trying to. Tell us, what was polling like 2 months before the election was supposed to take place? Would Dewhurst have won the primary with his 35%?

    Dewhurst, in the original primary...that, of course, didn't happen thanks to Obama...would have either outright won or would have won the run off. Cruz would have ultimately lost.

    Which it was. Can you show he didn't win a safe Republican seat? Start by showing us the last time the seat has been Democrat.

    Again, I dismiss that line of talk because it is irrelevant. You taking it up again doesn't make it any more significant.

    It's a repetition of the same claim which has already been proven to be false.
    You have proved nothing to be false. You've only made wild claims based on some polls...and, of course, taken up again with your irrelevant "safe seat" stuff.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Baggers! Defending the indefensible. If they hadn't aligned themselves with the racist pigs in their midst then the charge of racism wouldn't stick. It does! Your only problem is that you can't get over the fact that your president is black and blacks with power are uppity to baggers.

    Don't worry, you'll all get over it when you disintegrate into various extremist factions when Obama's term is over. You won't have a cause anymore.
    You do know, the actual baggers are more on your side there, old chum. No offense intended if you happen to be one. And yanno, views of racism similar to the ones here are kinda, well, kinda almost racist styled views, aren't they? Good luck with all that good spirit and positivity you got going there, Mike.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You have proved nothing to be false.
    Here is the part of your post I proved to the be false:

    Obama's lawsuit made it possible for Cruz to get a run-off.


    Dewhurst, in the original primary
    As Dewhurts held no 50% majority even 4 months BEFORE the election was to take place, that is proven to be false.

    Again, I dismiss that line of talk because it is irrelevant. You taking it up again doesn't make it any more significant. You've only made wild claims based on some polls...and, of course, taken up again with your irrelevant "safe seat" stuff.
    This is the 4th time you post the claim that easily debunked by your own op-ed. Polling shows that at no point did Dewhurst have the majority required in order to avoid a run-off. You asked for polls BEFORE March 6th, and they all show the same thing, Cruz and Dewhurst would have had a runoff regardless. Which directly contradicts your claim that it was Obama's lawsuit and extension of the race that gave Cruz the possibility for a run-off. If the primary had been held on March 6th, there would have still been a runoff election between Dewhurst and Cruz.

    I asked you a simple post and you seem to avoid it like the plague: Was Dewhurst's 38% and 36% (February '12 & January '12) enough to win the Republican primary without a runoff?

    If it is, then there is no argument here and you win. If it isn't, then you must conceded there still would have been a runoff and Obama's lawsuit had zero effect of the outcome of the race. However, here is your article's claim:

    If the vote had occurred two and a half months earlier, as originally scheduled, Dewhurst would have bested the 50 percent threshold and became the Republican nominee.
    Again, if the vote had occurred two months earlier, where Dewhurst was actually polling lower, there would have still be a runoff making this:

    Dewhurst would have bested the 50 percent threshold and became the Republican nominee.

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    Entirely false.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here is the part of your post I proved to the be false:

    Obama's lawsuit made it possible for Cruz to get a run-off.




    As Dewhurts held no 50% majority even 4 months BEFORE the election was to take place, that is proven to be false.



    This is the 4th time you post the claim that easily debunked by your own op-ed. Polling shows that at no point did Dewhurst have the majority required in order to avoid a run-off. You asked for polls BEFORE March 6th, and they all show the same thing, Cruz and Dewhurst would have had a runoff regardless. Which directly contradicts your claim that it was Obama's lawsuit and extension of the race that gain Cruz the necessary votes to win. If the primary had been held on March 6th, there would have still been a runoff election between Dewhurst and Cruz.

    I asked you a simple post and you seem to avoid it like the plague: Was Dewhurst's 38% (February '12) enough to win the Republican primary without a runoff?

    If it is, then there is no argument here and you win. If it isn't, then you must conceded there still would have been a runoff and Obama's lawsuit had zero effect of the outcome of the race.
    You seem hung up on run offs...as if you think Cruz had a chance to win a run off in March. He didn't. But he DID have a chance to win a run off 3 months later...which he did. The only reason his run off was 3 months later was because of Obama. Simple logic tells one that Obama made it possible for Cruz to win.

    That's what happens when you use simple logic instead of making assertions based on polls. Spin doesn't work when faced with logic.
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