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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    double post....
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it does - did Ted Cruz win a seat that has been held by Republicans for a long time? Effectively making his seat a "safe seat"? I already know the answer. However, your refusal to answer is all I need to know how true this claim is: Obama is responsible for Cruz winning his Senate seat.

    As I said, it's not as if Ted Cruz won a safe Republican seat that hasn't been Democrat for a long time. Right? He probably won some Northern seat that has been held by a Republican since the early 1990s. Oh...wait....

    Don't let facts stop you though. Carry on with the ridiculous claims.
    As I said...you probably would have preferred that Dewhurst had won his "safe seat" instead of Obama helping Cruz to win. Too bad that didn't happen, eh? Instead, thanks to Obama, you have this no-name Cruz causing you liberals all kinds of problems. Heck, people are even talking about Cruz for President!

    All because of Obama and his agenda.

    btw, Hatuey, if you think I'm making some ridiculous claim about Obama helping Cruz to win, perhaps you should challenge me to prove my claim...instead of talking about irrelevant things like whether it was a safe Republican seat or not.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    As I said..
    Actually, you didn't say that before. You clearly stated the reason Cruz won was because of Obama. This is in spite of the fact that Cruz won a seat that had been solidly Republican for 20 YEARS in a state that hasn't had a Democrat senator in the same amount of time.

    you have this no-name Cruz causing you liberals all kinds of problems.
    I laughed at this part. You clearly don't understand what a "safe seat" is. Whether Cruz is a no name or not, party recognition and voter registration records show he would have easily won in a state that hasn't been carried a senate seat in the state since 93.

    Hatuey, if you think I'm making some ridiculous claim about Obama helping Cruz to win, perhaps you should challenge me to prove my claim...instead of talking about irrelevant things like whether it was a safe Republican seat or not.
    How can I ask you to prove a claim that is entirely subjective? Well, I asked you to show the seat's history. Would it have normally gone Democrat? As it has gone Republican for 20 years, that doesn't seem to be the case. So Cruz essentially won a safe seat, thus debunking any claim that he had outside help. Here are the last few elections over the same seat:

    Kay Bailey Hutchison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison 1,188,716 67.3

    Democratic Bob Krueger 576,538 32.6

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison 2,604,218 60.71

    Democratic Richard W. Fisher 1,649,615 38.45

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison (inc.) 4,078,954 65.0%

    Democratic Gene Kelly 2,025,024 32.4%
    Green Douglas S. Sandage 91,329 1.5%
    Libertarian Mary J. Ruwart 72,657 1.2%

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison (inc.) 2,661,789 61.7 -3.3

    Democratic Barbara Ann Radnofsky 1,555,202 36.0 +3.6

    So what we have is a Senate race regularly won by Republicans by a 30% difference where Cruz, a Republican has maintained the tradition. Again, this DEBUNKS your ridiculous claim but please, show us how you'll disprove it. I'm dying to hear your ideological diatribe devoid of facts and filled with purely subjective nonsense.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Bush may be the past, but if Cruz is the future of the Republican Party, the future is bleak.

    RINO??? What gives anyone the right to determine who can and cannot be a Republican or define what a TRUE Republican is?

    I agree with the basic premise of the original Tea Party movement, of getting our spending and debt under control.

    I do not agree with, or support, the scorched earth tactics that SOME Tea Partiers are using... Like Cruz.

    What Jeb Bush said, was dead on. The hyperbolic rhetoric and "my way or the highway" tactics are the exact same tactics that the President and the Democrats in the Congress are using. A person looses all credibility in my eyes when they do exactly what they complain about others doing.

    We can agree on the goal, but we need to coordinate a strategy, instead of having the Tea Party extreme taking their own path which is leading to self destruction of the Republican Party.

    What they will end up with, if they keep this up, is a core group of people in this country that will NEVER be able to win a nationwide election (President), or enough state wide elections to control the Senate, and there are not enough House districts that have enough like minded people to control the House of Representatives.

    So what they are doing, is hastening their own irrelevance in US politics.

    YOU HAVE TO BE IN POWER (win elections) TO WIELD POWER (rule and control the government) AND EFFECT A CHANGE (realize and implement your agenda and policies). Currently, that doesn't seem to be the goal of Ted Cruz, not by any realistic evaluation of the facts.
    First of all, everybody in the United States has the right to determine what he/she thinks is a Republican or not. People who are wishy-washy at this late stage of this game need to make their own choice...but that will not stop me from deciding if they are in the right camp or not.

    Secondly, We the people out here have seen what those of you who call for this big tent strategy have gotten us... a long time under Democrat and Democrat-light Federal governments which do nothing to cut departments, which do nothing to cut spending except some minimal increases in the growth of spending, have barely slowed down government encroachment into every aspect of our lives...who have not stopped the massive hemorrhage of bleeding the true blood of our culture in the culture wars... we watch as the RINO strategists keep telling us, play for that big win, that big win that never truly comes... or if we do win, what we get is just a little better than what the other side would have given us.

    I naively signed onto that strategy myself in the hopes it would be for the better, the lesser of two evils...but getting a lesser evil followed by a larger evil has pointed out to me the error of my mistaken thought processes.

    Third, piggybacking on the former point... you don't ask the devil to help out, to work on your side...AND, and sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire. Have we fallen for the liberals 60s mantra, make love not war? Sometimes you have to do the war thing, sometimes, as proven by Sherman's March, maybe even the scorched earth thing giving a badly needed victory to US, like it did old Abe. I agree with this GW point, you are either with us or you are against us.

    McCain is not sufficiently with us, he has killed conservatism with a 1000 paper cuts that just eat like termites away at my inner core beliefs. I don't wanna die on the battle field like that... would rather stand up and aim cannons straight at the enemy, shoot deserters and hang the ones we find find working with the enemy [ metaphorically obviously ].

    The Tea Parties are the only truly honest parties in the country...they represent what is needed to get us back on course fiscally, politically and, to a much lesser extent, socially. We need that direction for all three. If we keep on going like the Republican Party has, it is already a dead party. I sure don't want any part of just being the Fabian Wing of the Democrat Party.

    While winning may be necessary to get anything done, if you get nothing done when you do win except to just go on a slower pace towards decline than the other party... hey, might as well get there faster so we can break it down and start over...

    I am unwilling to be a slave... that is ultimately where this is headed if not headed off at the pass.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I am unwilling to be a slave... that is ultimately where this is headed if not headed off at the pass.
    ... before you do become a slave - may I ask: do you have good teeth? A strong back? Or have they been eroded away by ObamaCare yet? I just want to know in case I decide to purchase you.... seeing as how we Liberals will be your slave masters and all. For eugenics reasons 'tis all. I swears on me grave I will do my best to also purchase your family. I don't want you going through what my ancestors went through. I'll also let you celebrate all of your people's cultural activities. As long as you work 1 Sunday out of 4 oh, and I expect my horse and carriage to be ready every Wednesday afternoon in case the Missus and I want to go to the weekly Marxist Ball.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... before you do become a slave - may I ask: do you have good teeth? A strong back? Or have they been eroded away by ObamaCare yet? I just want to know in case I decide to purchase you.... seeing as how we Liberals will be your slave masters and all. For eugenics reasons 'tis all. I swears on me grave I will do my best to also purchase your family. I don't want you going through what my ancestors went through. I'll also let you celebrate all of your people's cultural activities. As long as you work 1 Sunday out of 4 oh, and I expect my horse and carriage to be ready every Wednesday afternoon in case the Missus and I want to go to the weekly Marxist Ball.
    Ah, you joke, but under every joke there is the truth...not funny at all though...should it ever come to that, expect a slave rebellion and, metaphorically, to have your throat cut in the middle of the night.

    Cause that is what all good self respecting slaves do to their Masters.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Ah, you joke,
    Nope, I mocked your hyperbole. Which is what should be done when a poster has such a distant relationship with words and their meaning that they assign anything they dislike the most extreme forms of labels regardless of what they may actually mean.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, you didn't say that before. You clearly stated the reason Cruz won was because of Obama. This is in spite of the fact that Cruz won a seat that had been solidly Republican for 20 YEARS in a state that hasn't had a Democrat senator in the same amount of time.



    I laughed at this part. You clearly don't understand what a "safe seat" is. Whether Cruz is a no name or not, party recognition and voter registration records show he would have easily won in a state that hasn't been carried a senate seat in the state since 93.



    How can I ask you to prove a claim that is entirely subjective? Well, I asked you to show the seat's history. Would it have normally gone Democrat? As it has gone Republican for 20 years, that doesn't seem to be the case. So Cruz essentially won a safe seat, thus debunking any claim that he had outside help. Here are the last few elections over the same seat:

    Kay Bailey Hutchison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison 1,188,716 67.3

    Democratic Bob Krueger 576,538 32.6

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison 2,604,218 60.71

    Democratic Richard W. Fisher 1,649,615 38.45

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison (inc.) 4,078,954 65.0%

    Democratic Gene Kelly 2,025,024 32.4%
    Green Douglas S. Sandage 91,329 1.5%
    Libertarian Mary J. Ruwart 72,657 1.2%

    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison (inc.) 2,661,789 61.7 -3.3

    Democratic Barbara Ann Radnofsky 1,555,202 36.0 +3.6

    So what we have is a Senate race regularly won by Republicans by a 30% difference where Cruz, a Republican has maintained the tradition. Again, this DEBUNKS your ridiculous claim but please, show us how you'll disprove it. I'm dying to hear your ideological diatribe devoid of facts and filled with purely subjective nonsense.
    As I said...your blather about the seat being a Republican seat is irrelevant. Sure...Cruz won a Republican seat, but without Obama's help, HE wouldn't have won it. The guy he was challenging would have won it.

    The ONLY reason Cruz is in the Senate to cause y'all so much heartburn is because of the actions of Obama. Plain and simple.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    As I said...your blather about the seat being a Republican seat is irrelevant. Sure...Cruz won a Republican seat, but without Obama's help, HE wouldn't have won it. The guy he was challenging would have won it.
    The two statements in bold contradict each other unless you can show that at ANY point the seat was at risk of becoming Democrat. As it never was, Cruz or any other generic brand Republican would have won it regardless of whether Obama was president or not.

    Mycroft, your problem is that you're kidding yourself into believing that Cruz had some uphill battle in a state that hasn't had a Democrat Senator in 20+ years. However, I'll wait for you to show us some evidence - where is it?

    PROVE YOUR CLAIM BY:

    Pointing out the specific actions Obama took that affected the election.
    Explaining qualitative or quantitative effects of Obama's actions and how they directly led to Cruz's election.
    Then proving that Republicans were at the risk of losing the election before Obama took some sort of action.



    Again, I'll bet dollars to rocks you don't have anything but one can always hope.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 10-21-13 at 07:28 AM.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nope, I mocked your hyperbole. Which is what should be done when a poster has such a distant relationship with words and their meaning that they assign anything they dislike the most extreme forms of labels regardless of what they may actually mean.
    Well now, that sounds more in line with the regular wahhhh wahhh wahhhh of the wonderful whining liberals who never see anything wrong with the Bread, Land and Peace type statements urged on by the Marxist Leninists, always so nice on the front end... then end up so cruel.

    In a democracy it is the duty of citizens to stand against tyranny, hard and soft, far far in advance, before it comes to where bloodshed is required and, in the case of those [ YOUR BIG Bro side ] wanting to control from a central place all that its citizens do and are not allowed to do. What, pray tell, do the over-educated idiots who think they know what is best for all others, what do they not get about that, eh?

    Too simple for you? Or perhaps that just does not sufficiently cover only the surface of problems with the layer of fecal matter y'all so enjoy pushing out your many spreaders of the Democrat party, spread thin over a wide space... but growing only blanket of liberal weeds.

    We like the fruits of the groves planted by our forefathers, not the Marxist ones recently attempted to be grafted on, like the two are even compatible, but this invasive growth instead only subjects the fine old growth forests to accelerated disease and blight.

    We can smell you folks from a distance, there is absolutely no need to get any closer.

    Got anything you really want to debate about, like trying to give more advice to Republicans...???
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