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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Really? Being a conservative that wants the deficit and debt reduced, and the budget balanced, and the Tenth Amendment enforced, and a fair, truly fair tax code, makes them act like Democrats?
    You could never guess that with the way they go about it.
    What makes us different than Cruz and the Democrats you speak of, is that we understand that we aren't the end all know all of everything.
    Really, that's it? You forgot the go along-to-get-along philosophy and not having the courage to challenge the establishment.

    Read my reply above. You just accused Republicans that don't agree with your tactics as acting like Democrats therefore they're RINO's, yet here above, you defend the Tea Party (Cruz and the like) for acting like and using the same tactics as Democrats by trying to force your agenda down the throats of the whole country. So which is it? We're the RINO's? Or are you???
    That's just incoherent. Cruz, acting like a democrat, stood up for 21 hours to rally against funding the worst piece of legislation in memory to be foisted upon the American people???

    No, the coordinated strategy is to use the system that exists. Which would have worked, had ObamaCare not been the first target of the Tea Party. If the first target would have been the debt, deficit and budget, the Democrats would have been on the defensive, and would have had to negotiate. As it was, the Tea Party gave the Democrats every weapon they needed to go on the offensive and make Cruz look like an outlying extremist. He's his own worst enemy, and doing more harm to the country than the Democrats unsustainable debt and deficits, by killing the relevance of the Republican Party in the national debate.
    Yeah, let's let Obamacare slide for a while, no reason to go after it now. Should be much easier to get rid of once it's nice and entrenched.

    Cruz and Palin are working for Cruz and Palin. Not for the country.
    Got to be one of the most uniformed statements I've seen here.

    Please explain to me, how Ted Cruz can win a National Election? Please... I would love to hear your plan as to how this could ever happen.
    Yeah, we need him to be more like Romney and McCain, they did so well, and less of a conservative, you know, like Reagan. Hmmm... how did Reagan, the conservative, like Cruz is, do? No, let's follow that moderate republican strategy, like Carl Rove pushes, push out more losers. "Hey, vote for me, I have an 'R' by my name, but I'm a lot like a democrat!" That's been working so well!
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Sounds like you're encouraging him (and all pols) to be slimier. Say what you need to in order to populate government, then do whatever you want when you get there.
    Not at all. I don't agree with his tactics. I also don't agree with some of his goals. I do agree that the tax code needs to be changed, but I disagree with his view of what it should be. I agree that the debt is out of control and must be stopped and reversed in its direction. I also agree that the deficit should not exist, at all, and that we should live within our means by freezing spending in some areas, cutting spending in other areas and implementing tax reform to increase revenues through removal of many tax loopholes.

    A politician can be for all (well at least most) of the things he states he's for, and not act like he's the savior of the country, and willing to destroy the country to save it (Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind). He's a little too Old Testament for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I don't like Cruz, don't like his politics at all, or his maneuverings, but I do give him credit for voicing opinion clearly, he should have done what he could without encouraging the shut down, but other than going too far, he voted the way he said he would, so if nothing else at this point, I'll give him credit for not being two faced. Of course if he gets elected President, he'll do whatever MIC, and big business tell him to do, just like every other president before (with rare exceptions, none recently).
    I too respect a person that tells the truth. But I'm not sure he's telling the truth about his motives. He may in fact believe everything he's saying, but he reminds me of the TV preacher that denounces sin and has a mistress on the side. I don't trust him... at least I don't trust him to be the standard bearer for financial reform in this country. I get the feeling that his financial interest is solely his own campaign funds, and not what's best for the country, or the Republican Party of which he claims to be a member.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Why is it considered sensible by populists to do this? Indeed, many of us party-minded folk are scared of it, but that's not because it somehow is the right way to do things and we thus stand opposed to it. It's because we party and authority-minded folk think that this is an awfully stupid means of behaving in politics. Rabble rousing in American politics is fantastic for theater, but rarely useful otherwise. Cruz is getting hammered by his own party for his antics, and rightly so. I'll take the crusty Washington insider any day.
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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    To be honest it doesn't surprise me at all that some Republicans are turning on guys like Cruz, Paul, Lee and etc. After all it is under their watch(and I'm talking about all of the "senior" Senators/Reps) that our economy got to where it is. As a minority they have been ineffective (worthless really). They have been trampled and given up. To see some fresh faces in their ready to fight for conservative values, I'm sure there is a bit of envy involved.

    To see them labeled as far right, extremist, fanatics, blah blah blah is just Liberals trying to discredit them because they fear they will become a roadblock in their path to Liberal Utopia.
    What they are fighting for seem to be pretty standard conservative principals, its just the old guard have decided to roll over and play dead, to stop fighting. I'm sure the Democrats love this but (real)Republicans, not so much.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    It is a partisan problem. These people are doing whatever it takes to fulfill the promises they made to the people who elected them. They weren't elected to do what the speaker or the party tell them to do. They were elected to do what they thought was right. The fact that the left doesn't like what they think is right is really pretty irrelevant. They deserve consideration for doing what they promised and what they believe. I'd like to see reps on the left do the same thing.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    To be honest it doesn't surprise me at all that some Republicans are turning on guys like Cruz, Paul, Lee and etc. After all it is under their watch(and I'm talking about all of the "senior" Senators/Reps) that our economy got to where it is. As a minority they have been ineffective (worthless really). They have been trampled and given up. To see some fresh faces in their ready to fight for conservative values, I'm sure there is a bit of envy involved.

    To see them labeled as far right, extremist, fanatics, blah blah blah is just Liberals trying to discredit them because they fear they will become a roadblock in their path to Liberal Utopia.
    What they are fighting for seem to be pretty standard conservative principals, its just the old guard have decided to roll over and play dead, to stop fighting. I'm sure the Democrats love this but (real)Republicans, not so much.
    Agreed,,and furthermore,,those of Us who vote Conservative all know McCain cost us an election along with his real personality as a Democratic sympathizer. He kind of reminds me of what Hanoi Jane did to him in VN,,,,,yes,,,actually this RINO has consorted with the Enemy and damages his so called Party affiliation on many fronts. He should retire.

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It is a partisan problem. These people are doing whatever it takes to fulfill the promises they made to the people who elected them. They weren't elected to do what the speaker or the party tell them to do. They were elected to do what they thought was right. The fact that the left doesn't like what they think is right is really pretty irrelevant. They deserve consideration for doing what they promised and what they believe. I'd like to see reps on the left do the same thing.
    While O does the opposite of your second sentence. At least somebody keeps their promises!

    If the old adage that a Man is judged by what He would do if he was never found out rings true? It certainly doe's seem to work for O!

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    Re: Now the Guns are Getting too Big to Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram View Post
    Agreed,,and furthermore,,those of Us who vote Conservative all know McCain cost us an election along with his real personality as a Democratic sympathizer. He kind of reminds me of what Hanoi Jane did to him in VN,,,,,yes,,,actually this RINO has consorted with the Enemy and damages his so called Party affiliation on many fronts. He should retire.
    Surely, I've misread the above post.
    It appears to be comparing the Democrats to the Viet Cong and stepping up the absurd hyperpartisanship to the level of warfare.

    Surely, that can't be right.
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    Re: Top Republican Slams Ted Cruz: 'Show A Little Self-Restraint'

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Top Republican Slams Ted Cruz: 'Show A Little Self-Restraint'

    And so the fight is on in earnest. Is this going to be too hard of a choice for Republicans to make. And what happens when some of the other really big guns start trashing Cruz. Choose your sides now. See if you can bring down Jeb Bush in favour of supporting Cruz. LOL
    Yea... I wouldn't call Jeb a top republican.

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