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1.8M-year-old skull gives glimpse of our evolution[w67,72]

Well you can't believe in the bible and believe that this skull is actually 1.8 million years old. The bible's timeline back to Adam and Eve was very well detailed, and it's put at about 4,000 BC. So yes, you have to choose. Do you believe in the bible's creation story, or do you believe in evolution? Things don't evolve much in 6,000 years.

Right, and Noah lived to be 600 years old, and Goliath was 9 feet and change tall, and Methuselah lived even longer than Noah, all that from a time before the base ten numbers were even thought of.

Do you know why the number 40 appears so often in the Bible? It's because it was translated from a word that meant "many."

Biblical math is to be taken with a grain of salt.
 
Right, and Noah lived to be 600 years old, and Goliath was 9 feet and change tall, and Methuselah lived even longer than Noah, all that from a time before the base ten numbers were even thought of.

Do you know why the number 40 appears so often in the Bible? It's because it was translated from a word that meant "many."

Biblical math is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Lol, I think you proved my real point anyway. The book was written by people who hadn't even developed a good system of math and is filled with cute little stories. The most you could say is that you don't accept the literal meaning of the bible and believe in evolution.

It's very obvious that 2 million years aren't missing between Adam and Eve and the time of jesus.
 
Are you serious? He spent this entire thread telling us what he believes, so I gave him the analysis of it. Plain and simple, you can't remain logically consistent and believe both in the bible and evolution.

If you'd like to make some arguments instead of crappy little one liners, I'll be here.
I am serious. I liked my little one liner, and I don't care where you are. Don't tell me what I can or cannot believe and remain logically consistent. I can make a logically consistent argument for the casting of chicken bones to divine the future.
 
I am serious. I liked my little one liner, and I don't care where you are. Don't tell me what I can or cannot believe and remain logically consistent. I can make a logically consistent argument for the casting of chicken bones to divine the future.

You're on a debate forum, so yes, I will tell you if you're being logically consistent or not.

If I told you I was a christian that didn't think jesus or the bible is significant, wouldn't you tell me I'm being logically inconsistent?

You're on a debate forum and refuse to even support your position or form any arguments.
 
You're on a debate forum, so yes, I will tell you if you're being logically consistent or not.

If I told you I was a christian that didn't think jesus or the bible is significant, wouldn't you tell me I'm being logically inconsistent?

You're on a debate forum and refuse to even support your position or form any arguments.
You're on a debate forum too, and the topic is a 1.8 million year old skull. It is possible to believe in the Bible and evolution and remain logically consistent. At some point I'll take that on in the religious forum, but not here, and not today just because you demand it. I operate on my schedule. You operate on yours. When I have the time necessary, I'll take it up with you, if you'd like.
 
You're on a debate forum too, and the topic is a 1.8 million year old skull. It is possible to believe in the Bible and evolution and remain logically consistent. At some point I'll take that on in the religious forum, but not here, and not today just because you demand it. I operate on my schedule. You operate on yours. When I have the time necessary, I'll take it up with you, if you'd like.

I'm sorry, I didn't change the topic, but you and mak had been droning on for a while talking about jesus stuff, so I decided to correct you on your vastly incorrect statements.
 
Droning? Wut?
I'm sorry, I didn't change the topic, but you and mak had been droning on for a while talking about jesus stuff, so I decided to correct you on your vastly incorrect statements.
 
I'm sorry, I didn't change the topic, but you and mak had been droning on for a while talking about jesus stuff, so I decided to correct you on your vastly incorrect statements.
I didn't drone on at all. I have two, count 'em, two posts on this thread prior to your comments, and both were offered in a light hearted manner. If you want to correct my vastly incorrect statements, you'll have to do it in the appropriate forum with me, and when I have the time to devote to such a topic. Bring it up again (I'm sure) in the religious forum, and if I have the time, you can correct my vastly incorrect statements.
 
I didn't drone on at all. I have two, count 'em, two posts on this thread prior to your comments, and both were offered in a light hearted manner. If you want to correct my vastly incorrect statements, you'll have to do it in the appropriate forum with me, and when I have the time to devote to such a topic. Bring it up again (I'm sure) in the religious forum, and if I have the time, you can correct my vastly incorrect statements.

So he can get dinged for not accepting your little belief system? Psh. This seems to be a dodge to avoid criticism and go elsewhere to be "protected."
 
So he can get dinged for not accepting your little belief system? Psh. This seems to be a dodge to avoid criticism and go elsewhere to be "protected."
Wait a minute. So I can get dinged for not accepting his little belief system? I don't need protection and I'm criticized virtually every time I post here. What makes you think I avoid it? Is it that you would like to have an argument concerning religion? Go for it. You already know where the forum is. I think you guys just got your panties in a twist a little too fast, and now you're complaining that you didn't get a cookie for your trouble. Live with it.
 
Wait a minute. So I can get dinged for not accepting his little belief system? I don't need protection and I'm criticized virtually every time I post here. What makes you think I avoid it? Is it that you would like to have an argument concerning religion? Go for it. You already know where the forum is. I think you guys just got your panties in a twist a little too fast, and now you're complaining that you didn't get a cookie for your trouble. Live with it.

Fact remains, we didn't bring up that ****, mak did. And no, I won't go debate you in the religious forum because you'll just cry to a mod to get me infracted for criticizing your religion. You inserted yourself into a conversation, then decided you didn't like the topic.

Stop being a child.
 
Wait a minute. So I can get dinged for not accepting his little belief system? I don't need protection and I'm criticized virtually every time I post here. What makes you think I avoid it? Is it that you would like to have an argument concerning religion? Go for it. You already know where the forum is. I think you guys just got your panties in a twist a little too fast, and now you're complaining that you didn't get a cookie for your trouble. Live with it.

Oh really? There's a forum where religious can be dinged for critiquing the irreligious? Strange I must've missed that one. Why do you think you're criticized? Do I want an argument about religion? Meh. I argue it enough as it is, so what's one more? If you don't need protection, why'd you tell him to go to the religious sub-forum where he'll surely be dinged?
 
The 1.8 million year old skull really has little to do with religion, unless you insist on young Earth creationism, which is just the way some people interpret ancient writings.

The Bible does not give the age of the Earth. If it did, it would just say it is 40 years old, 40 meaning "many", and that would be accurate. The Earth is many years old.
 
Fact remains, we didn't bring up that ****, mak did. And no, I won't go debate you in the religious forum because you'll just cry to a mod to get me infracted for criticizing your religion. You inserted yourself into a conversation, then decided you didn't like the topic.

Stop being a child.
So now it's not me, but Mak. Damn that Mac. I made comments that shouldn't have offended anyone, and they were offered in the most light hearted way. You're the one crying foul because you're trolling, and I pointed it out. Many of us do, so it's not like I'm not guilty. Just don't get pissed off when it's pointed out. And the topic was, since I have to remind you again, a 1.8 million year old skull. That doesn't seem to be a topic of your liking. And who's this "we". What? Are you guys traveling in packs, or what?
 
Well you can't believe in the bible and believe that this skull is actually 1.8 million years old. The bible's timeline back to Adam and Eve was very well detailed, and it's put at about 4,000 BC. So yes, you have to choose. Do you believe in the bible's creation story, or do you believe in evolution? Things don't evolve much in 6,000 years.

The bible doesn't say the Earth was created 6000 years ago. A few centuries back, some human decided it said that. It is entirely possible to believe that human was wrong.

I think it's also possible to believe that the creation story is metaphorical rather than literal. 7 days problem.
 
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The bible doesn't say the Earth was created 6000 years ago. A few centuries back, some human decided it said that. It is entirely possible to believe that human was wrong.

I think it's also possible to believe that the creation story is metaphorical rather than literal. 7 days problem.

It doesn't say it was created 6,000 years ago, but it implies it from the series of events. You can follow the lineages down from Adam and Eve to Moses, Abraham, and other major biblical characters, which we can historically place.

That means for you to accept this skull isn't a hoax, you have to accept that somehow at least 1.8 million lost years occurred between Adam and Eve and Jesus. Why would the bible magically omit 1.8 million years? How could any society, much less the jews, survive 1.8 million years?

Then you'd have to admit that Adam and Eve looked something like Australopithecus.

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Which then would require you to believe that god was somehow unpleased with his first models of humans, destroyed them and created hundreds of new versions until he finally got it 'right' about 6,000+ years ago.

If you can fit all these things into a nice, logical model, then I applaud your mental gymnastics.

The 1.8 million year old skull really has little to do with religion, unless you insist on young Earth creationism, which is just the way some people interpret ancient writings.

The Bible does not give the age of the Earth. If it did, it would just say it is 40 years old, 40 meaning "many", and that would be accurate. The Earth is many years old.

As you can see above, the history of the homo genus spans millions of years, which no matter how you count it, doesn't match with the biblical lineages traced from Adam and Eve. Either they weren't actually the first humanoids god created, or there's a massive 1.8 million+ year gap in the bible and the lineages are just wrong.
 
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It doesn't say it was created 6,000 years ago, but it implies it from the series of events. You can follow the lineages down from Adam and Eve to Moses, Abraham, and other major biblical characters, which we can historically place.

That means for you to accept this skull isn't a hoax, you have to accept that somehow at least 1.8 million lost years occurred between Adam and Eve and Jesus. Why would the bible magically omit 1.8 million years? How could any society, much less the jews, survive 1.8 million years?

Then you'd have to admit that Adam and Eve looked something like Australopithecus.

Lucy-reconstruction.jpg


Which then would require you to believe that god was somehow unpleased with his first models of humans, destroyed them and created hundreds of new versions until he finally got it 'right' about 6,000+ years ago.

If you can fit all these things into a nice, logical model, then I applaud your mental gymnastics.



As you can see above, the history of the homo genus spans millions of years, which no matter how you count it, doesn't match with the biblical lineages traced from Adam and Eve. Either they weren't actually the first humanoids god created, or there's a massive 1.8 million+ year gap in the bible and the lineages are just wrong.

Funny, how people will worry about the Wording in the Bible and what chronology it implies. The Document is not written like a history book and does not really seem useful as such.
 
1.8M-year-old skull gives glimpse of our evolution




And yet some believe the above is all just a fairy tale .....

It looks like an australopithecus skull without the mandible. Not sure why this is big news, there is already a substantial amount of evidence that points to early hominids originating in what would now be Africa, about 50 million years ago. What would interest me is evidence on how the early hominids reached North and South America. Advanced primates came into play about 70 million years ago, about 20-30 million years prior to that, the Americas had already significantly split westward.
 
What **** did I bring up?
Fact remains, we didn't bring up that ****, mak did. And no, I won't go debate you in the religious forum because you'll just cry to a mod to get me infracted for criticizing your religion. You inserted yourself into a conversation, then decided you didn't like the topic.

Stop being a child.
 
What **** did I bring up?

Are you ****ting me? In post 3 of this thread, you brought religion in, and then whine and cry that we're all off topic when we correct you about how insanely wrong you are?

Stop trolling.

I am Christian but not a young Earth creationist. I beleive in evolution just like everyone else, that is just how God did it. Most of us do.

Here it is again for you.


Funny, how people will worry about the Wording in the Bible and what chronology it implies. The Document is not written like a history book and does not really seem useful as such.

You can tap dance around it all you want. Explain to me how 2 million+ years are missing from the biblical timeline between Adam and Eve and Jesus, and why Adam and Eve must have looked more like primates than modern humans.
 
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Are you ****ting me? In post 3 of this thread, you brought religion in, and then whine and cry that we're all off topic when we correct you about how insanely wrong you are?

Stop trolling.



Here it is again for you.




You can tap dance around it all you want. Explain to me how 2 million+ years are missing from the biblical timeline between Adam and Eve and Jesus, and why Adam and Eve must have looked more like primates than modern humans.

A few years untold and missing? No prob. 'Happens in movies and books all the time. Though, I will grant you that 2 million+ years is more than the average witter will usually drop. But in an good story of interplanetary empire, creation and apocalypse it is not unheard of.
 
I am Christian but not a young Earth creationist. I beleive in evolution just like everyone else, that is just how God did it. Most of us do.

Evolution is, and acceptance of anthropological/archaeological/etc. facts has never been problematic for me. It's a convenient construct to mischaracterize Christians, but there has never been anything in the scientific record that conflicts with my beliefs. Every find that adds to our body of knowledge is very exciting and not a conflict at all.
 
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