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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    this is what a "moderate" view of things looks like. Always has been and as long as you've idiots still thinking Corporate Dems and Establishment GOP are the one's showing "common sense" and their ability to "compromise" is what this country needs, it always will be.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I said nothing of her deserving it or not...
    Agreed, you did not. However, you insinuated we shouldn't have given it to her because she's rich. And if that wasn't your insinuation, then I have no idea why you mentioned it at all, because the only reason it's been made a big deal in the first place is because some people consider it unnecessary and wasteful spending.
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    because she is part of the 1% you hate.
    Wait, timeout. Why do you think I hate the so-called 1%? Because I want them to make an equal sacrifice for the good of this country?

    That doesn't mean I hate them at all. It just means they are not making an equal sacrifice.

    she is in the very group you so desperately want to redistribute their wealth.
    I've never understood why policies which benefit those who do not have money is "redistribution of wealth", but policies which monetarily benefit those who already have money is not.

    do you know how many poor families could be fed with 175 grand?
    What is it with you Democrats always wanting to take money owed to people and give it to those who are hungry? You Democrats are killing America.

    but I guess because her husband was a democrat she is immune to the hate and the redistribution of her wealth
    I assumed her husband was a Republican, to be honest. *shrug*

    No real reason why, I just did. But that's just like you Democrats, always criticizing and making the emotional play to take money out of rich people's hands because they might be Republican. It's going to ruin this country.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    built by lockheed martin.. by union workers....that f-35?

    my pops worked in Aerospace for quite a while... the B-1 program, C-5 program, and hte B-2 program.
    Aerospace, while one of my favorite industries ( I love me some planes), is rife with bloat, waste and fraud.... everybody knows it, nobody does anything about it.
    As Robert Novak said 'after' his outing of Valerie Plame, treasonous like Snowden as Boehner said, corrupt capitalism is still better than any other system .
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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Well maybe if Lockheed Martin got off its collective tailpipe and got to work maybe they would not need to waste so much time and money.

    Maybe if we let Boeing have a shot at producing more of its joint strike fighter prototype, then maybe Lockheed would appreciate the urgency of the matter
    hehe, you act as if Boeing is any different... that's funny.

    I'll relate a small story about the Aerospace industry, just to highlight
    my pops was a precision driller on the B-1 program.... he drilled the little holes that rivets eventually go in.
    I'm home on leave and we're talking shop, and he tells me about his hard days.... he tells me that on Monday he drilled 4 holes in a panel.. precision holes, no doubt.
    those holes took him about 1.5 hours... so by 9:am he's done with this order.
    friday morning, an inspector finally shows up to check his work and give the go ahead to proceed with the next 8 holes.
    between monday morning and friday morning, my pops shot pool in the employee break room ( I saw it, it's badass... ) and watched movies and such.
    he was given hte go-ahead ot work saturday and sunday on his next order... and order he completed by Friday afternoon.

    now here's hte rub... pops was making 22 bucks an hour.. in the early 80's...saturday was double time, sunday was triple time.
    that week, he made $880 in straight time and $880 in overtime for saturday and sunday.
    $1760 bucks for drilling 12 holes through thin aluminum over the course of 7 days.. in today's money, that's $6,600 bucks.

    my pops was lazy and he liked the idea of being handed something for nothing, so the job fit him well.

    but yeah, Aerospace is big scam... most assuredly,some of the money they take is justified, i mean ,we are talking about high performance airframes and such.. but damn... I'd consider what they do to be fraud at worst, waste at best.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Agreed, you did not. However, you insinuated we shouldn't have given it to her because she's rich. And if that wasn't your insinuation, then I have no idea why you mentioned it at all, because the only reason it's been made a big deal in the first place is because some people consider it unnecessary and wasteful spending.
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    yes, i'm one who considers it unnecessary and wasteful spending.
    I assume the widow probably does too....

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, i'm one who considers it unnecessary and wasteful spending.
    And what I'm saying is regardless of how much she has, there's no reason to be disrespectful to the memory of her husband, and considering how ultimately little the amount is and the fact it's a tradition, there's nothing wrong with giving it to her.

    I assume the widow probably does too....
    If so, she's more than welcome to decline it.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    And what I'm saying is regardless of how much she has, there's no reason to be disrespectful to the memory of her husband, and considering how ultimately little the amount is and the fact it's a tradition, there's nothing wrong with giving it to her.

    If so, she's more than welcome to decline it.
    the " it's only a drop in the bucket" argument never flies with me... just saying.
    175k here, a million here, a million there... pretty soon, we're talking about real money.
    if I were to add up the figured behind every person on an internet forum saying " it's only a small amount" .. the total would probably be in the trillions.

    i'm not hot under the collar about it... i can't get pissed every time government throws money it doesn't have away.. i'd stress myself to death 16 trillion times over.

    giving 175 grand away to a person worth 60 million just because he husband died might be tradition or even well meaning and kind... but it's still unnecessary and wasteful, no doubt about it.

    I'd like to think she would decline the money, but two things iv'e noticed about very rich people is that they don't pass on free money and they don't get or stay stay rich by giving their own money away...

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the " it's only a drop in the bucket" argument never flies with me... just saying.
    You're certainly welcome to that position, but as I said before to someone, there's a time for idealism and a time for realism.

    175k here, a million here, a million there... pretty soon, we're talking about real money.
    Agreed. But it doesn't make much sense to go after the $175k to the widow when we can tackle the million here and there first.

    if I were to add up the figured behind every person on an internet forum saying " it's only a small amount" .. the total would probably be in the trillions.
    I doubt it, but I understand the point you're making. But again, there's a time for realism.

    giving 175 grand away to a person worth 60 million just because he husband died might be tradition or even well meaning and kind... but it's still unnecessary and wasteful, no doubt about it.
    Perhaps, but giving $175k to a Congressman in the first place is wasteful, if you want to split hairs about it.

    I'd like to think she would decline the money, but two things iv'e noticed about very rich people is that they don't pass on free money and they don't get or stay stay rich by giving their own money away...
    Very true. Rich people rarely get rich by turning down money.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    You're certainly welcome to that position, but as I said before to someone, there's a time for idealism and a time for realism.

    Agreed. But it doesn't make much sense to go after the $175k to the widow when we can tackle the million here and there first.

    I doubt it, but I understand the point you're making. But again, there's a time for realism.

    Perhaps, but giving $175k to a Congressman in the first place is wasteful, if you want to split hairs about it.

    Very true. Rich people rarely get rich by turning down money.
    I don't think we'll agree on what constitutes realism.. or idealism
    I think giving 175k to a multimillionaire because of tradition is idealism.... realism is saying " we're 16 trillion in debt and you are rich as ****... here's a nice hallmark card saying how much we loved your husband and thank him for his service.."...( obviously not in those exact words )

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't think we'll agree on what constitutes realism.. or idealism
    I think giving 175k to a multimillionaire because of tradition is idealism
    I think it's the way our country has decided to honor the memory of a member of Congress.

    .... realism is saying " we're 16 trillion in debt and you are rich as ****... here's a nice hallmark card saying how much we loved your husband and thank him for his service.."...( obviously not in those exact words )
    Realism is accepting the drop in the ocean analogy and realizing the comparatively small token extended to the widow has basically nothing to do with the $16t debt.

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