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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Most Libbos are going to oppose most military spending. They believe that our armed forces should be trimmed down to nothing more than a defense force, with no offensive deployment capabilities.
    I call Bull**** on your bolded comment. Let's see you back up the bolded comment there with actual facts and not right-wing rhetoric. Show us where the majority of the left want a military force with NO offensive deployment capabilities like you just claimed.

    You're just spouting off bull**** now.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I call Bull**** on your bolded comment. Let's see you back up the bolded comment there with actual facts and not right-wing rhetoric. Show us where the majority of the left want a military force with NO offensive deployment capabilities like you just claimed.

    You're just spouting off bull**** now.
    Let's see you disprove it...how da ya like them apples?

    How many times have we heard the Libbos whine about, "wars of choice", and say that unless the United States is attacked, that we should never go to war?
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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see you disprove it...how da ya like them apples?
    You made the claim, back it up son. Oh wait, you can't because your claim is bull****. BTW, you asking me to prove a negative is a fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many times have we heard the Libbos whine about, "wars of choice", and say that unless the United States is attacked, that we should never go to war?
    Being against the Iraq war does not equate to not wanting an offensive force as you claimed. And if the U.S. is attacked we would need an offensive force to win the war so even your lousy example still doesn't back up your claim and you have yet to prove the MAJORITY of the left believes that in the first place.

    Face facts, you made a bull**** claim, got called on it and now you can't man up and admit you are wrong. Pathetic right-wing nonsense again.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You made the claim, back it up son. Oh wait, you can't because your claim is bull****. BTW, you asking me to prove a negative is a fallacy.



    Being against the Iraq war does not equate to not wanting an offensive force as you claimed. And if the U.S. is attacked we would need an offensive force to win the war so even your lousy example still doesn't back up your claim and you have yet to prove the MAJORITY of the left believes that in the first place.

    Face facts, you made a bull**** claim, got called on it and now you can't man up and admit you are wrong. Pathetic right-wing nonsense again.
    You're dead wrong and you jnow you are, son.
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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Most Libbos are going to oppose most military spending. They believe that our armed forces should be trimmed down to nothing more than a defense force, with no offensive deployment capabilities.
    While I don't believe we should be strictly defensive, we should significantly pair down our offensive capabilities. We could cut our defense budget in half and still spend more than the next closest spender (China). Russia spends the same percentage of their GDP as we do and still spends less than 10% of what we do. Maybe this will put it in context. Saudi Arabia spends twice the percentage of their GDP on defense as we do. Yet the total amount of money they spend on defense isn't even 5% of what we spend. We have plenty of money sunk in to our military.
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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see you disprove it...how da ya like them apples? How many times have we heard the Libbos whine about, "wars of choice", and say that unless the United States is attacked, that we should never go to war?
    More CONvoluted rhetoric! Why the CONs NEVER wage offensive war, just ask them. It is always in 'defense' of our national interests or our over seas 'friends'. So what's is this 'offensive' war of which you speak?

    All but a few die hard CONs agree no more Iraqs. No more huge drains on our military which isn't well adapted to fighting irregular opponents, and our people not agreeable to long casualty lists, and our Treasury unable to sustain the huge drain on our finances.

    If we think about it our 'best' war was the one in which we we attacked at Pearl harbor. It is tacky as hell for a so-called beacon of democracy to preach offensive war. Empires talk that way.

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    While I don't believe we should be strictly defensive, we should significantly pair down our offensive capabilities. We could cut our defense budget in half and still spend more than the next closest spender (China). Russia spends the same percentage of their GDP as we do and still spends less than 10% of what we do. Maybe this will put it in context. Saudi Arabia spends twice the percentage of their GDP on defense as we do. Yet the total amount of money they spend on defense isn't even 5% of what we spend. We have plenty of money sunk in to our military.
    We cut our defense budget in half in the 30's. Troops training for WW2 were training with wooden rifles and the troops defending Wake Island were using 40 year old bolt action rifles.

    Cutting our offensive capabilities will cost lives.
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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    More CONvoluted rhetoric! Why the CONs NEVER wage offensive war, just ask them. It is always in 'defense' of our national interests or our over seas 'friends'. So what's is this 'offensive' war of which you speak?

    All but a few die hard CONs agree no more Iraqs. No more huge drains on our military which isn't well adapted to fighting irregular opponents, and our people not agreeable to long casualty lists, and our Treasury unable to sustain the huge drain on our finances.

    If we think about it our 'best' war was the one in which we we attacked at Pearl harbor. It is tacky as hell for a so-called beacon of democracy to preach offensive war. Empires talk that way.
    Thank you for proving my point.
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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Thank you for proving my point.
    No Sir, explain your 'offensive' wars the liberals don't want the United states to wage anymore. Seems to me we have far more military to 'defend' our national interest. The cost of which is a huge drain while in peacetime and a monstrous suck hole when actually used.

    Just how much of a military does a peace loving nation, such as ourselves need? As it stands we are bigger than the next dozen nations, most of whom are our 'dear friends' and allies.

    But to be clear the CONs wrap ALL wars, even unprovoked wars, as 'defending our Freedoms'....

    Fact is we don't need to launch 'offensive' wars you seem to think we need the capability to fight.

    So I ask, what are these 'offensive' wars YOU think we need to be able to wage????

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    Re: $2 billion ‘kentucky kickback’ in budget

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    No Sir, explain your 'offensive' wars the liberals don't want the United states to wage anymore. Seems to me we have far more military to 'defend' our national interest. The cost of which is a huge drain while in peacetime and a monstrous suck hole when actually used.

    Just how much of a military does a peace loving nation, such as ourselves need? As it stands we are bigger than the next dozen nations, most of whom are our 'dear friends' and allies.

    But to be clear the CONs wrap ALL wars, even unprovoked wars, as 'defending our Freedoms'....

    Fact is we don't need to launch 'offensive' wars you seem to think we need the capability to fight.

    So I ask, what are these 'offensive' wars YOU think we need to be able to wage????
    Again, you do a great job of proving my point.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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