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Pew: Tea Party support at record low

Thrilla said:
another day, another far lefty wanting political opponents to disappear entirely.
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Or just have people wake up and not vote any of these morons in again.
 
head of joaquin said:
The tea party has been totally humiliated by Obama, who stood his ground. Can you imagine how the tea party leaders are gnashing their teeth at being pwned by a black president.
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Pulling race card as usual. Racism must be part of Progressivism.
 
APACHERAT said:
I seem to remember just a few years ago hearing that the Tea Party approval numbers were at an all time low. That the Tea party is no more. That the Tea Party has no power in Congress. That the Tea Party was just a short fad. That the Tea Party is history. That the Tea Party is extinct.

That was a few years ago.
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That was pretty much true back then, as it is now.

In 2010, republicans, and specifically tea party republicans, did pretty darned good in the election. That was because we were upset that Obama didn't just click his heels together and magically make things better.

Wasn't too long after that election that we started realizing that the economy had become somewhat better, and we weren't going to double dip, and the spendulous bill wasn't going to ruin our economy. We started shifting back towards the left, and have been gradually moving towards the left, every month after we hear the job numbers.

This most recent posturing by the tea party was most likely their last gasp for air. As soon as Jan 1st 2014 rolls around, and Obamacare is (almost) fully implemented, and our economy doesn't collapse, and our national debt doesn't double over night, and our health care system pretty much stays the same as it has been for decades, those few remaining tea party types will become totally apathetic to politics. You know how Fox News called the government shutdown a "slimdown"? Thats what we are going to see in the republican party. A slimdown, with the losses being mostly the tea party populist extremists.
 
head of joaquin said:
The tea party has been totally humiliated by Obama, who stood his ground. Can you imagine how the tea party leaders are gnashing their teeth at being pwned by a black president.
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well this is not true, the republican leadership of the senate and house........uncut the house tea party republicans.

which they have uncut before, and will again, until people vote them out of office.
 
ernst barkmann said:
well this is not true, the republican leadership of the senate and house........uncut the house tea party republicans.

which they have uncut before, and will again, until people vote them out of office.
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maybe the reason the republican leaders in the house and senate uncut the house tea party republicans, is because the house tea party republicans have little or no experience of government and do not even try to learn about what it takes to get policy implemented.
 
APACHERAT said:
I was referring to having 50 % or close to it of the registered electorate.

One should ask who makes up the majority of America and which party do they identify with ?

The Democrat party today doesn't represent the majority of Americans but just a bunch of small special interest groups and the majority of ethnic minorities.

The rule of the Democrat Party is you support my radical minority special interest group agenda and I'll support your special interest group agenda no matter how insane it is.

Nothing is what's best for America but what's best for one minority or special interest group. The majority are completely ignored.
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Here are some figures since 1950 thanks to Clayton State College and University Essay on Party Affiliation/identification. Sometime during the 1960's the Democratic Party ceased being the majority party although every year with the exception of 2010 more people identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

Year Dem Rep
1950 56 26
1960 52 30
1970 48 26
1980 42 28
1990 38 30
2000 32 28
2010 32 33
2011 30 27
2012 34 27
2013 20 30 Today per Gallup Party Affiliation/Identification polls Oct 5-7 2013

Another interesting note in 1950 only 18% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that number has grown to 47%. Sounds to me as time went by, more and more people became dissatisfied with both parties.
 
Thrilla said:
yes, yes... they need to "wake up" and start believing exactly like you do....we get it.
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I never said they should believe like i do.



have you ever considered that they are not asleep?
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Or they are just complete morons.
But hey they are loosing support so good for them.
 
Perotista said:
Here are some figures since 1950 thanks to Clayton State College and University Essay on Party Affiliation/identification. Sometime during the 1960's the Democratic Party ceased being the majority party although every year with the exception of 2010 more people identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

Year Dem Rep
1950 56 26
1960 52 30
1970 48 26
1980 42 28
1990 38 30
2000 32 28
2010 32 33
2011 30 27
2012 34 27
2013 20 30 Today per Gallup Party Affiliation/Identification polls Oct 5-7 2013

Another interesting note in 1950 only 18% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that number has grown to 47%. Sounds to me as time went by, more and more people became dissatisfied with both parties.
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well until independents get serious about forming a third party, i guess they will have to settle with 2 parties they don't like.
 
Or maybe the threaten to bring back liberty and freedom. The Tea Party , in my opinion, is the only thing in Washington stopping this country from marching into Socialism. King Obama and his liberals need to stop already and go away.

Unitedwestand13 said:
maybe the reason the republican leaders in the house and senate uncut the house tea party republicans, is because the house tea party republicans have little or no experience of government and do not even try to learn about what it takes to get policy implemented.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
maybe the reason the republican leaders in the house and senate uncut the house tea party republicans, is because the house tea party republicans have little or no experience of government and do not even try to learn about what it takes to get policy implemented.
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yeah, sorry.. a liberal Democrat harping on inexperience is a pig that just doesn't fly..... but it's true they have refused to operate under establishment "rules".. they were, after all, elected to shake up the establishment.
 
Thrilla said:
yeah, sorry.. a liberal Democrat harping on inexperience is a pig that just doesn't fly..... but it's true they have refused to operate under establishment "rules".. they were, after all, elected to shake up the establishment.
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they have a contempt of government, why do we need elected officials whose stated purpose is to undermine and delegitimize the very institution they are sworn to represent.
 
APACHERAT said:
Could you explain something for some of us, why would you be celebrating increasing the national debt to 18 Trillion Dollars and still supporting a catastrophe known as Obamacare ?

I don't see why anyone would be celebrating.
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You don't know Obamacare is a disaster. You have no basis to state that. You only have your beliefs.

$18T in debt is not, in and of itself, a major problem... as long as the economy grows. The issue is making the economy (GDP) grow. Don't obsess over the size of the mortgage (it is what it is); make more money! It is the American way to believe that "I can make more money"....
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
well until independents get serious about forming a third party, i guess they will have to settle with 2 parties they don't like.
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good point, but I think it's inaccurate to say they don't like the 2 parties... primarily because they just keep voting for them...election after election after election, without fail.
 
Thrilla said:
yeah, sorry.. a liberal Democrat harping on inexperience is a pig that just doesn't fly..... but it's true they have refused to operate under establishment "rules".. they were, after all, elected to shake up the establishment.
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Ya shook it up; you lost. Go away!
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
they have a contempt of government, why do we need elected officials whose stated purpose is to undermine and delegitimize the very institution they are sworn to represent.
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I think it's more accurate to say they have a contempt for our current establishment government....damn near everyone in the country does , as well...they are in good company.

don't worry, when Democrats are relieved of power, they'll have contempt too... just like when Bush was in office and the GOP controlled congress, Democrat will once again throw hissy fits and talk **** about how bad the government is.....it's a pendulum.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
well until independents get serious about forming a third party, i guess they will have to settle with 2 parties they don't like.
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There is the rub, having worked for Perot twice and probably the only member left of the Reform Party in Georgia, it will be awful hard to form a third party. Independents are more diverse with their politics than one would think. They are anything but moderate. Most are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but you have a sizable bunch that are the other way. There are way more different political philosophies than in either the republican or democratic party. But the one thing they have in common, they are getting fed up with the major parties and in their view, they end up voting for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate.

But most buy into this mantra espoused by the two major parties that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote, he can't win. Until independents get away from that mindset, there will be no viable third party. Then too you have the election laws written by the Republicans and Democrats as a mutual protection act. Then there is the money problem, corporations, wall street etc. donate hundreds of millions to the two major parties and none to third parties. Last year Romney spent a billion, Obama spent a billion, the next candidate in line was Gary Johnson who spent 3 million.
 
Perotista said:
There is the rub, having worked for Perot twice and probably the only member left of the Reform Party in Georgia, it will be awful hard to form a third party. Independents are more diverse with their politics than one would think. They are anything but moderate. Most are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but you have a sizable bunch that are the other way. There are way more different political philosophies than in either the republican or democratic party. But the one thing they have in common, they are getting fed up with the major parties and in their view, they end up voting for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate.

But most buy into this mantra espoused by the two major parties that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote, he can't win. Until independents get away from that mindset, there will be no viable third party. Then too you have the election laws written by the Republicans and Democrats as a mutual protection act. Then there is the money problem, corporations, wall street etc. donate hundreds of millions to the two major parties and none to third parties. Last year Romney spent a billion, Obama spent a billion, the next candidate in line was Gary Johnson who spent 3 million.
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well unless the independents are really fed up, things will remain the same.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
maybe the reason the republican leaders in the house and senate uncut the house tea party republicans, is because the house tea party republicans have little or no experience of government and do not even try to learn about what it takes to get policy implemented.
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one thing you dont do in politics, is uncut your own party, and go on tv. and say terrible things about your follow members...ie mccain.

you may not agree with them, but to things to under mind them....now your hurt yourself as well as the rest of the party...
 
upsideguy said:
Ya shook it up; you lost. Go away!
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oh looky, yet another lefty who want other people to go away...how very unsurprising.

tell me stories about how liberal like tolerance and diversity of thought.. I haven't heard those lies in a few days.

as an aside, I'm not a Tea Partier... I think the whole "movement" is stupid, always have.... so go find a new leg to hump.
 
can't wait for unanimous consent..
 
Perotista said:
Here are some figures since 1950 thanks to Clayton State College and University Essay on Party Affiliation/identification. Sometime during the 1960's the Democratic Party ceased being the majority party although every year with the exception of 2010 more people identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

Year Dem Rep
1950 56 26
1960 52 30
1970 48 26
1980 42 28
1990 38 30
2000 32 28
2010 32 33
2011 30 27
2012 34 27
2013 20 30 Today per Gallup Party Affiliation/Identification polls Oct 5-7 2013

Another interesting note in 1950 only 18% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that number has grown to 47%. Sounds to me as time went by, more and more people became dissatisfied with both parties.
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Thanks for doing the research Perotista. It's appreciated.

When you crunch the numbers it's the Democrat Party that has a problem with the majority of Americans.

That's why Obama's next agenda to save the Democrat Party and it's socialist agenda is AMNESTY and increasing legal immigration of uneducated and unskilled immigrants who are very likely to become dependent on government. With out 30 million new voters who will be dependent on government (tax payers) the Democrat Party is doomed.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
well unless the independents are really fed up, things will remain the same.
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Exactly, In the two party system we have, where one of two candidate must win what the majority of the people think doesn't matter. If gallup is right, 30% of Americans identify with the democrats and 20% with republicans. A candidate where 70% of Americans do not want will be elected because 80% of do not want the other candidate. Missouri Senate race last year is a prime example of this McCaskill had only a 39% favorable ratings, he GOP opponent Aiken had a 31% approval. 60% of Missourians wanted neither, yet they were forced to accept McCaskill. Is that the will of the people, no it isn't. It is the barrel that the two parties have us over.

It is said independents tend to vote for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate. Well the lesser of two evils is still evil and the least worse candidate is still a bad candidate.
 
APACHERAT said:
Thanks for doing the research Perotista. It's appreciated.

When you crunch the numbers it's the Democrat Party that has a problem with the majority of Americans.

That's why Obama's next agenda to save the Democrat Party and it's socialist agenda is AMNESTY and increasing legal immigration of uneducated and unskilled immigrants who are very likely to become dependent on government. With out 30 million new voters who will be dependent on government (tax payers) the Democrat Party is doomed.
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APACHERAT said:
Thanks for doing the research Perotista. It's appreciated.

When you crunch the numbers it's the Democrat Party that has a problem with the majority of Americans.

That's why Obama's next agenda to save the Democrat Party and it's socialist agenda is AMNESTY and increasing legal immigration of uneducated and unskilled immigrants who are very likely to become dependent on government. With out 30 million new voters who will be dependent on government (tax payers) the Democrat Party is doomed.
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I just noticed, for 2013 I have the numbers wrong, they are switched. It should be D 30% R 20% It should look like this:

Here are some figures since 1950 thanks to Clayton State College and University Essay on Party Affiliation/identification. Sometime during the 1960's the Democratic Party ceased being the majority party although every year with the exception of 2010 more people identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

Year Dem Rep
1950 56 26
1960 52 30
1970 48 26
1980 42 28
1990 38 30
2000 32 28
2010 32 33
2011 30 27
2012 34 27
2013 30 20 Today per Gallup Party Affiliation/Identification polls Oct 5-7 2013

Another interesting note in 1950 only 18% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that number has grown to 47%. Sounds to me as time went by, more and more people became dissatisfied with both parties.

My mistake and it was a big one for 2013, my fingers typed faster than my mind worked on the 2013 figures.

The house is now starting to vote. The bill is now being introduced.
 
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