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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Mitch gave into the President's agenda, he didn't stop it at all or even try to.
    Mitch McConnell and John Boehner saved your party. Moderate conservative voters had already abandoned the tactic of the shutdown and threatening the debt ceiling. The donor class of the Republican party was already threatening to jump ship. Both realized you play the long game and ruining the Republican Party doesn't accomplish anything. Part of being a politician is realizing when the jig is up. There was no surge in approval for Republicans fighting against Obamacare. It was the opposite.

    You fight the fights you can win...this whole thing was a losing strategy from the get go which Boehner pointed out. What exactly did Republicans get outside of a drop in approval ratings? Do you think actually passing the debt ceiling would of led to some massive appreciation of the Republican party? McConnell is an astute politician. Someone like Cruz is just plain and simple a demagogue.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Mitch McConnell and John Boehner saved your party. Moderate conservative voters had already abandoned the tactic of the shutdown and threatening the debt ceiling. The donor class of the Republican party was already threatening to jump ship. Both realized you play the long game and ruining the Republican Party doesn't accomplish anything. Part of being a politician is realizing when the jig is up. There was no surge in approval for Republicans fighting against Obamacare. It was the opposite.

    You fight the fights you can win...this whole thing was a losing strategy from the get go which Boehner pointed out. What exactly did Republicans get outside of a drop in approval ratings?
    They gave up so they didn't get anything. That's my entire point. They should have kept fighting, they should have let the shutdown go on until Obama came to the table.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    They gave up so they didn't get anything. That's my entire point. They should have kept fighting, they should have let the shutdown go on until Obama came to the table.
    Why would Obama come to the table? How far should report for the party deteriorate? Why exactly do you think everyone would start blaming Obama when it became apparent that people were blaming the Republican party? What exactly do you think would happen once the debt ceiling was passed and we were paying our debt but SS checks stopped going out?

    Do you think there would be more or less pressure for a bill that just straight up raise the debt ceiling? What do you think individuals who give millions to the Republican party because it serves their interest would do after we hit a recession as 100's of billions in spending just evaporated over night? What do you think would be the long term effects of the party?

    There's already a (albeit small) chance this could result in the loss of the House for Republicans. If this would of dragged out further not only would those chances increase over time but there's a very strong possibility that you create whole generations of future Democratic Party voters. Basically what happened post New Deal.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    They gave up so they didn't get anything. That's my entire point. They should have kept fighting, they should have let the shutdown go on until Obama came to the table.
    keep fighting? do you realize that the democrats were not going to cave on the issue of obamacare.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Why would Obama come to the table? How far should report for the party deteriorate? Why exactly do you think everyone would start blaming Obama when it became apparent that people were blaming the Republican party? What exactly do you think would happen once the debt ceiling was passed and we were paying our debt but SS checks stopped going out?

    Do you think there would be more or less pressure for a bill that just straight up raise the debt ceiling? What do you think individuals who give millions to the Republican party because it serves their interest would do after we hit a recession as 100's of billions in spending just evaporated over night? What do you think would be the long term effects of the party?

    There's already a (albeit small) chance this could result in the loss of the House for Republicans. If this would of dragged out further not only would those chances increase over time but there's a very strong possibility that you create whole generations of future Democratic Party voters. Basically what happened post New Deal.
    You see, I am a man of principle. I think politicians should be too. I wouldn't cave because someone isn't willing to even talk. I applaud the Tea Party Conservatives who stood up for what is right.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    keep fighting? do you realize that the democrats were not going to cave on the issue of obamacare.
    Which is why they should have kept the Gov shutdown. At some point something was going to give, they gave in way too soon. Spineless.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Obviously they had no power in trying to destroy the ACA did they?
    Actually since the majority of Americans don't like Obamacare, it seems the majority of Americans have no power to destroy Obamacare.

    Just another example of the liberal minority telling the majority "Do as I say not as I do."

    BTW: What's with this ACA ?

    Are you referring to the "Air Combat Command"; "Airspace Control Authority"; "American Canine Association"; "American Chiropractic Association"; or the "American Canoe Association" ?

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Which is why they should have kept the Gov shutdown. At some point something was going to give, they gave in way too soon. Spineless.
    yeah the moderates stepped in and stopped the republican party from committing political suicide.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    yeah the moderates stepped in and stopped the republican party from committing political suicide.
    No, they DID commit political suicide.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You see, I am a man of principle. I think politicians should be too. I wouldn't cave because someone isn't willing to even talk. I applaud the Tea Party Conservatives who stood up for what is right.
    So even if it damages the party in the long run you think they should of stuck it out? Obamacare will never be repealed under threat of shutdown or not raising the debt ceiling. For one......the principle...we live in a democracy...no one wants a norm where important/large pieces of legislation are overturned due to threats of shutdown or not raising the debt ceiling. Would you want a government where say...the Bush Tax cuts were repealed because a Democratic controlled house threatened to raise the debt ceiling?
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