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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    I have no doubt the 'Tea Party' support is low because most people in this country lack the capacity to think for themselves and only parrot the same mindless rhetoric they are spoon fed.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I seem to remember just a few years ago hearing that the Tea Party approval numbers were at an all time low. That the Tea party is no more. That the Tea Party has no power in Congress. That the Tea Party was just a short fad. That the Tea Party is history. That the Tea Party is extinct.

    That was a few years ago.
    Obviously they had no power in trying to destroy the ACA did they?
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And why do you not like the Tea Party? Be specific, not the regular liberal banter rhetoric. SPECIFICALLY, why do you not like them?
    Cutting social services, view gov as a negative, corporate influence, citizens united, against uhc, rhetoric is ridiculous, not grassroots at all, use veterans as political pawns, gov shutdown. Do i need to go on?


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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    That is a form of negotiation that has been used MANY times. This is not the first time. If you recall, Obama also voted not to raise the debt ceiling as a Senator. So we can throw that point out because it is simply not valid.

    I'm curious for you to expand on the 2nd half of your post though.
    We can't throw it out. There's a large difference from a symbolic vote and an actual threatening of not raising the debt ceiling with enough votes to make that threat possible. The Dems voted against the Debt ceiling when the Republicans had enough votes to pass it on their on. When Dems had the votes in the House and Senate to actually not raise the debt ceiling they raised it. We can't really discuss the issue if you don't recognize that.

    As for the 2nd part...the Tea Party for one...is style over substance. Mitch Mcconnel is by far the person most responsible for stopping the Presidents agenda. There is no other Republican that has been as effective at it. Yet he doesn't have the Rhetoric of Ted Curz or Bachman or Mike Lee or other Tea Party favorites therefore...he's getting a primary challenger. It's happened soo many times in soo many districts where effect politicians have been kicked out of office because they aren't enough of a bomb thrower. Maybe being a bomb thrower gets you ratings but it's not good for anyone.

    As for being ostracized...Republicans that have been fighting (if you're a Republican) the "good fight" for decades are ousted. Individuals that have strong beliefs in certain things...maybe deregulation...maybe fiscal matters..whatever...that don't from top to bottom agree with the Tea party. Those individuals are named RINO's and voted out. It's created an atmosphere that unless you're lock step with a specific ideology you get primaried. So many effective politicians that were in DC to actually govern are getting replaced by empty suits that are more concerned with sound bites than actual governing.

    Believe it or not the rest of us have to live with the rightwing melodrama.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Sorry, but the tea baggers are like crying children on an airplane on a late Friday night flight after a long week out of town....... ok, not a good analogy, as I like children and feel for both the parent and child..... but, they still are annoying. The Tea Party is at the root of most government dysfunction. I appreciate the role of the loyal opposition in crafting policy. The tea baggers have no interest in crafting policy; they just want to cry on the airplane.

    I respect dissent and disagreement. I resent (and am not tolerant of) stupidity. Most republicans represent healthy dissent. Most tea baggers represent stupidity (the idea that not raising the debt limit would not be a big deal or even considering risking it --- stupidity.... contrary to virtually every expert on the subject).
    Like this guy:

    Harry Reid in '06: Raising debt limit last thing we should do, will weaken country, hurt economy - YouTube


    and the guy who said this:

    Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Cutting social services, view gov as a negative, corporate influence, citizens united, against uhc, rhetoric is ridiculous, not grassroots at all, use veterans as political pawns, gov shutdown. Do i need to go on?
    1. Social Services are not the role of the government and need to be cut or at the very least reformed.
    2. That is not an accurate representation of the Tea Party to say they view government as a negative.
    3. What do you mean by corporate influence?
    4. What do you mean by Citizens United?
    5. Universal Healthcare is NOT a good thing, just ask people from countries who have it.
    6. What rhetoric? That's pretty broad, what specifically?
    7. The Tea Party is extremely grass roots, so I'm not sure what you base that off of....
    8. How did they use vets as political pawns? Last I checked, the Dems did that during the shutdown. How did the Tea Party do it??
    9. The Government shutdown was due to the Democrats unwillingness to negotiate and compromise. Can't pin that on the Tea Party solely.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    We can't throw it out. There's a large difference from a symbolic vote and an actual threatening of not raising the debt ceiling with enough votes to make that threat possible. The Dems voted against the Debt ceiling when the Republicans had enough votes to pass it on their on. When Dems had the votes in the House and Senate to actually not raise the debt ceiling they raised it. We can't really discuss the issue if you don't recognize that.

    As for the 2nd part...the Tea Party for one...is style over substance. Mitch Mcconnel is by far the person most responsible for stopping the Presidents agenda. There is no other Republican that has been as effective at it. Yet he doesn't have the Rhetoric of Ted Curz or Bachman or Mike Lee or other Tea Party favorites therefore...he's getting a primary challenger. It's happened soo many times in soo many districts where effect politicians have been kicked out of office because they aren't enough of a bomb thrower. Maybe being a bomb thrower gets you ratings but it's not good for anyone.

    As for being ostracized...Republicans that have been fighting (if you're a Republican) the "good fight" for decades are ousted. Individuals that have strong beliefs in certain things...maybe deregulation...maybe fiscal matters..whatever...that don't from top to bottom agree with the Tea party. Those individuals are named RINO's and voted out. It's created an atmosphere that unless you're lock step with a specific ideology you get primaried. So many effective politicians that were in DC to actually govern are getting replaced by empty suits that are more concerned with sound bites than actual governing.

    Believe it or not the rest of us have to live with the rightwing melodrama.
    Mitch gave into the President's agenda, he didn't stop it at all or even try to.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Yeah, we can stick a fork in the Tea Party.

    Don't get me wrong, there are still enough dumb asses to support them and make a stink, just not enough of them to get a president elected. If they were a party of their own, instead of hijacking the GOP like they did, they would already be history.

    Only the GOP can put the Tea party where they belong by kicking them to the curb. And, as a matter of self-preservation, I suspect the GOP will do exactly that, sooner than later.

    The Dem's want the TP'er's to stay right where they are at. A tainted GOP practically guarantees the dems that they will win future elections.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Ok, once again, SPECIFICALLY why do you not like the Tea Party. No liberal rhetoric generalizations please. Be specific.
    Arizona SB 1070; state abortions bills that do not reflect the position of the constituents; medical marijuana law passed by Arizona general state vote that tea baggers in office refused to enact until ordered by state court; tea baggers in Tennessee House went ape **** crazy when they discovered a floor level sink in a House bathroom because the dumbasses thought it was a Muslim foot bath; revisionist history school curriculum in states such as Tennessee and Texas; almost every tea bagger on DP is Christian religionist; Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and other tea baggers attempting to jump in front of the WWII Memorial protest as it was their pet cause; Arizona Vets in fact have schedule a meeting to organize a formal request to Az Tea Party to f*ck off and leave veterans and their issues alone - all of the top of my head.

    A new analysis by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life finds that Tea Party supporters tend to have conservative opinions not just about economic matters, but also about social issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In addition, they are much more likely than registered voters as a whole to say that their religion is the most important factor in determining their opinions on these social issues.2 And they draw disproportionate support from the ranks of white evangelical Protestants.

    The analysis shows that most people who agree with the religious right also support the Tea Party.
    In short, much of what the Tea Party stands for is really just lipstick on the old Religious Right pig. Same old, same old. To be frank, I have never cared for the Christian Right and I sincerely wish they would stay out of my government and leave the rest of American the hell alone.










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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I'm curious ... are you ideological?
    Do you think Obama is ideological?
    Or do you think Obama is driven by an overwhelming urge to find common ground with political opposition?
    Of course everybody adheres to some ideology. Strict adherence to ideology is a completely different ball game. Everybody's goal is to get as much as they can that represents their views. At the same time...there's a pragmatic recognition that...you don't always get what you want. When those instances happen you to threaten to blow up the government you horse trade. Do you disagree that ANY compromise by a politician is used by the Tea Party on the right? Even effective politicians on the right are accused of "compromising" with the other side. Compromise is a reality in a democratic government. Not everybody gets what they want and punishing politicians that do their job which includes compromising creates massive amounts of dysfunction/.
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