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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    they have a contempt of government, why do we need elected officials whose stated purpose is to undermine and delegitimize the very institution they are sworn to represent.
    I think it's more accurate to say they have a contempt for our current establishment government....damn near everyone in the country does , as well...they are in good company.

    don't worry, when Democrats are relieved of power, they'll have contempt too... just like when Bush was in office and the GOP controlled congress, Democrat will once again throw hissy fits and talk **** about how bad the government is.....it's a pendulum.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    well until independents get serious about forming a third party, i guess they will have to settle with 2 parties they don't like.
    There is the rub, having worked for Perot twice and probably the only member left of the Reform Party in Georgia, it will be awful hard to form a third party. Independents are more diverse with their politics than one would think. They are anything but moderate. Most are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but you have a sizable bunch that are the other way. There are way more different political philosophies than in either the republican or democratic party. But the one thing they have in common, they are getting fed up with the major parties and in their view, they end up voting for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate.

    But most buy into this mantra espoused by the two major parties that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote, he can't win. Until independents get away from that mindset, there will be no viable third party. Then too you have the election laws written by the Republicans and Democrats as a mutual protection act. Then there is the money problem, corporations, wall street etc. donate hundreds of millions to the two major parties and none to third parties. Last year Romney spent a billion, Obama spent a billion, the next candidate in line was Gary Johnson who spent 3 million.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    There is the rub, having worked for Perot twice and probably the only member left of the Reform Party in Georgia, it will be awful hard to form a third party. Independents are more diverse with their politics than one would think. They are anything but moderate. Most are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but you have a sizable bunch that are the other way. There are way more different political philosophies than in either the republican or democratic party. But the one thing they have in common, they are getting fed up with the major parties and in their view, they end up voting for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate.

    But most buy into this mantra espoused by the two major parties that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote, he can't win. Until independents get away from that mindset, there will be no viable third party. Then too you have the election laws written by the Republicans and Democrats as a mutual protection act. Then there is the money problem, corporations, wall street etc. donate hundreds of millions to the two major parties and none to third parties. Last year Romney spent a billion, Obama spent a billion, the next candidate in line was Gary Johnson who spent 3 million.
    well unless the independents are really fed up, things will remain the same.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    maybe the reason the republican leaders in the house and senate uncut the house tea party republicans, is because the house tea party republicans have little or no experience of government and do not even try to learn about what it takes to get policy implemented.
    one thing you dont do in politics, is uncut your own party, and go on tv. and say terrible things about your follow members...ie mccain.

    you may not agree with them, but to things to under mind them....now your hurt yourself as well as the rest of the party...

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ya shook it up; you lost. Go away!
    oh looky, yet another lefty who want other people to go away...how very unsurprising.

    tell me stories about how liberal like tolerance and diversity of thought.. I haven't heard those lies in a few days.

    as an aside, I'm not a Tea Partier... I think the whole "movement" is stupid, always have.... so go find a new leg to hump.

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    can't wait for unanimous consent..
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Here are some figures since 1950 thanks to Clayton State College and University Essay on Party Affiliation/identification. Sometime during the 1960's the Democratic Party ceased being the majority party although every year with the exception of 2010 more people identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

    Year Dem Rep
    1950 56 26
    1960 52 30
    1970 48 26
    1980 42 28
    1990 38 30
    2000 32 28
    2010 32 33
    2011 30 27
    2012 34 27
    2013 20 30 Today per Gallup Party Affiliation/Identification polls Oct 5-7 2013

    Another interesting note in 1950 only 18% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that number has grown to 47%. Sounds to me as time went by, more and more people became dissatisfied with both parties.
    Thanks for doing the research Perotista. It's appreciated.

    When you crunch the numbers it's the Democrat Party that has a problem with the majority of Americans.

    That's why Obama's next agenda to save the Democrat Party and it's socialist agenda is AMNESTY and increasing legal immigration of uneducated and unskilled immigrants who are very likely to become dependent on government. With out 30 million new voters who will be dependent on government (tax payers) the Democrat Party is doomed.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    well unless the independents are really fed up, things will remain the same.
    Exactly, In the two party system we have, where one of two candidate must win what the majority of the people think doesn't matter. If gallup is right, 30% of Americans identify with the democrats and 20% with republicans. A candidate where 70% of Americans do not want will be elected because 80% of do not want the other candidate. Missouri Senate race last year is a prime example of this McCaskill had only a 39% favorable ratings, he GOP opponent Aiken had a 31% approval. 60% of Missourians wanted neither, yet they were forced to accept McCaskill. Is that the will of the people, no it isn't. It is the barrel that the two parties have us over.

    It is said independents tend to vote for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate. Well the lesser of two evils is still evil and the least worse candidate is still a bad candidate.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Thanks for doing the research Perotista. It's appreciated.

    When you crunch the numbers it's the Democrat Party that has a problem with the majority of Americans.

    That's why Obama's next agenda to save the Democrat Party and it's socialist agenda is AMNESTY and increasing legal immigration of uneducated and unskilled immigrants who are very likely to become dependent on government. With out 30 million new voters who will be dependent on government (tax payers) the Democrat Party is doomed.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/penalt...post1062433751

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Thanks for doing the research Perotista. It's appreciated.

    When you crunch the numbers it's the Democrat Party that has a problem with the majority of Americans.

    That's why Obama's next agenda to save the Democrat Party and it's socialist agenda is AMNESTY and increasing legal immigration of uneducated and unskilled immigrants who are very likely to become dependent on government. With out 30 million new voters who will be dependent on government (tax payers) the Democrat Party is doomed.
    I just noticed, for 2013 I have the numbers wrong, they are switched. It should be D 30% R 20% It should look like this:

    Here are some figures since 1950 thanks to Clayton State College and University Essay on Party Affiliation/identification. Sometime during the 1960's the Democratic Party ceased being the majority party although every year with the exception of 2010 more people identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

    Year Dem Rep
    1950 56 26
    1960 52 30
    1970 48 26
    1980 42 28
    1990 38 30
    2000 32 28
    2010 32 33
    2011 30 27
    2012 34 27
    2013 30 20 Today per Gallup Party Affiliation/Identification polls Oct 5-7 2013

    Another interesting note in 1950 only 18% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that number has grown to 47%. Sounds to me as time went by, more and more people became dissatisfied with both parties.

    My mistake and it was a big one for 2013, my fingers typed faster than my mind worked on the 2013 figures.

    The house is now starting to vote. The bill is now being introduced.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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