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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Everything you say is so true, Pol ... BUT ... we must remember that creating something that "works" to achieve something we would consider sensible requires a system that achieves a goal that Obamacare was never intended to achieve.
    To put it another way, Obamacare is a vehicle ... not a destination.
    I get a chuckle when folks describe Obama as incompetent.
    He is a very clever bad guy with a whole ton of support in strategic places.
    I have been reading more and more lately that what he really hopes to achieve is "single payer," which simply means the government will be the payer, and will then control all health care... including Medicare and Medicaid... which is six percent of our economy. It has been suggested that the current law was written as it was to make it so onerous that people will object in outraged anger. When the noise gets loud enough, this administration will then step in and offer a solution...single payer. The people lose either way--they shut up and go with Obamacare with all its unfairness, or they get single payer. Very cleverly done, if that's true.

    As a matter of information, do we have any other national laws that require the IRS to step in if people don't buy something the government says they must buy, or be fined? Just wondering, since I couldn't immediately think of any....

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    When I look at the rest of the world and compare it from five years ago compared to today, you dinky dow.
    You need to compare back a few more years, selective memory doesn't make you correct. Obama didn't plunge us into a war in the desert nor the economy off a cliff. But the highly partisan rarely see the entire picture, just the parts they want to rant about.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I want to point out...the article dealt with DOMA...I addressed Obamacare provision being delayed. There's no article needed for that...that's run of the mill presidential discretionary authority to carry out legislation
    Oh no no no.
    Past Presidents haven't decided who is affected by a law they signed that explicitly stated who and when aspects of the law should be in effect.
    That's well beyond their purview.

    If Presidents had the kind of power you claim for Obama he could have just declared there was no debt limit deadline.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I have been reading more and more lately that what he really hopes to achieve is "single payer," which simply means the government will be the payer, and will then control all health care... including Medicare and Medicaid... which is six percent of our economy. It has been suggested that the current law was written as it was to make it so onerous that people will object in outraged anger. When the noise gets loud enough, this administration will then step in and offer a solution...single payer. The people lose either way--they shut up and go with Obamacare with all its unfairness, or they get single payer. Very cleverly done, if that's true.

    As a matter of information, do we have any other national laws that require the IRS to step in if people don't buy something the government says they must buy, or be fined? Just wondering, since I couldn't immediately think of any....
    Bingo, Pol ... you got it.
    See Comment #126

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You're supposed to make Constitutional changes via Amendments ... not electing an autocrat via the voting booth
    In what aspects...are you saying that unless it's 100% said in the constitution it requires an Amendment? That would be chaos. This government would of never lasted as long as it has.

    And ... the major difference between Mass. and the USA should be obvious ...
    What...ones a state the other is the country? It's an insurance market. If anything medical insurance being different in every state causes less efficiency and higher administrative costs. A nationwide insurance bill was needed.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Oh no no no.
    Past Presidents haven't decided who is affected by a law they signed that explicitly stated who and when aspects of the law should be in effect.
    That's well beyond their purview.
    In what way? Are you talking DOMA or Obamacare? Last I checked he never changed the law he's just delayed provisions. In what way has he changed Congressional legislation?

    If Presidents had the kind of power you claim for Obama he could have just declared there was no debt limit deadline.
    Not true at all...I "claimed" that executive authority allows him to delay provisions because there is discretion when the executive branch carries out legislation.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Bingo, Pol ... you got it.
    See Comment #126
    I was running errands earlier, and just got back on DP a little while ago. Sorry I missed your previous post, but that's what I'm hearing. It's probably right wing propaganda, put out by the nasty hateful Unamerican Tea Party, right?

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You need to compare back a few more years, selective memory doesn't make you correct. Obama didn't plunge us into a war in the desert nor the economy off a cliff. But the highly partisan rarely see the entire picture, just the parts they want to rant about.

    Wars ? Your referring to Obama's Rules of Engagement (ROE) that favor the enemy that causes American troops to bleed in die in the name of political correctness.

    The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch

    The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch | CNS News

    The economy going off the cliff ? Don't you mean Democrat policies that caused the economy to go off the cliff ?

    Study Finds Democrats Fully to Blame for Subprime Mortgage Crisis that Caused 2008 Financial Disaster

    >" State Sen. Barack Obama and Fr. Michael Pfleger led a protest against the payday loan industry demanding the State of Illinois to regulate loan businesses in January 2000. During his time as a community organizer Barack Obama led several protests against banks to make loans to high risk individuals. (NBC 5 Week of January 3, 2000)

    Here’s something that won’t get any play in the liberal media…
    A new study by the respected National Bureau of Economic Research found that Democrats are to blame for the subprime mortgage crisis.
    Investor’s Business Daily reported:

    Democrats and the media insist the Community Reinvestment Act, the anti-redlining law beefed up by President Clinton, had nothing to do with the subprime mortgage crisis and recession.

    But a new study by the respected National Bureau of Economic Research finds, “Yes, it did. We find that adherence to that act led to riskier lending by banks.”

    Added NBER: “There is a clear pattern of increased defaults for loans made by these banks in quarters around the (CRA) exam. Moreover, the effects are larger for loans made within CRA tracts,” or predominantly low-income and minority areas..."<

    New Study Finds Democrats Fully to Blame for Subprime Mortgage Crisis that Caused 2008 Financial Disaster | The Gateway Pundit


    Democrats Planted Seeds Of Recession Obama Now Blames On Bush Tax Cuts - Investors.com


    Articles: 'The Policies That Caused the Mess in the First Place'

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    The Reverso-Meme in full flower: Bush starts two vanity wars costing $3T, and Apacherat blames Obama. Like clockwork.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The Reverso-Meme in full flower: Bush starts two vanity wars costing $3T, and Apacherat blames Obama. Like clockwork.
    Apacherat doesn't listen to liberal/progressive revisionism and is well informed that Osama bin Laden declared war upon America back in 1996.
    Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 23, 1996 | PBS

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