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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Not really. Can you be more clear? so you're saying you're fine with just one chamber of the house getting what it wants or threatening pain/ruin for everyone else?
    I'm suggesting our President changed Obamacare and ignored DOMA ... as examples.
    He represents only one branch, after all.
    Why is that better?

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I'm suggesting our President changed Obamacare
    He didn't change Obamacare. He use executive orders to make delays. The President has to carry out legislation passed but is given some discretionary powers over how it's done. In fact the Treasury cited multiple example of were delays and postponements were made when administration realized statutory deadline proved unworkable. The only time that delays can be challenged is if they are "unreasonably delayed" which requires taking the delays to court. Anyway...long story short...the executive orders are backed by precedent and law. The President has to carry out legislation but has discretionary powers of how it's done. Congress can't pass a bill "tomorrow every child get a new puppy"...the President would delay that legislation because it's unworkable.

    ignored DOMA
    Which is in his power.
    Here's a good article that goes over executive power and the DOMA decision.
    ILW.COM - immigration news: DOMA: What President Obama Can Do Now By Gary Endelman
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You oughta read more about Romneycare vs Obamacare. May surprise you.
    Of course there are differences. It's major legislation...but the core is the same. It has an individual mandate, it include subsidies for individuals at or slightly above the poverty line, and it includes exchanges. So are you saying Republicans are fine with those three things? Those are the only thing I hear criticized from the right.

    And the Democrats most definitely prefer Single Payer.
    I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just an Obama lackey but that you're just, forgive me, horribly misguided about the intended role of Government.
    I'm not an Obama lackey. I voted for Hillary in the Primary but I preferred him over both McCain and Romney.
    As for the role of Government...government serves the interest of the people. We have different views of the role of government but that is hashed out on voter booths and court rooms. This country would be a wreck if our government looked like the government in 1776.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Do you really think Democrats wanted Obamacare? What do you think health reform would look like if Democrats were able to put in place anything they wanted....

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Which is in his power.
    What?!? You mean he used the tools at his disposal to make changes in the implementation of what he thought was a bad law over the objections of another branch of government? That terrorist asshole!

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    What?!? You mean he used the tools at his disposal to make changes in the implementation of what he thought was a bad law over the objections of another branch of government? That terrorist asshole!
    Actually it was based on the constitutionality of the law not because he didn't like it. The Supreme Court ruling has supported his interpretation.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    He didn't change Obamacare. He use executive orders to make delays. The President has to carry out legislation passed but is given some discretionary powers over how it's done. In fact the Treasury cited multiple example of were delays and postponements were made when administration realized statutory deadline proved unworkable. The only time that delays can be challenged is if they are "unreasonably delayed" which requires taking the delays to court. Anyway...long story short...the executive orders are backed by precedent and law. The President has to carry out legislation but has discretionary powers of how it's done.
    Congress can't pass a bill "tomorrow every child get a new puppy"...the President would delay that legislation because it's unworkable.

    Which is in his power.
    Here's a good article that goes over executive power and the DOMA decision.
    ILW.COM - immigration news: DOMA: What President Obama Can Do Now By Gary Endelman
    We're not talking aout the usual executive orders.
    That article dealt with interpretation of a law and it's constitutionality. Not a decision to not enforce what is written in a law and choosing who it should affect.
    If that's what you think is in a President's authority then Chris Christie can ****can the whole thing in 2016 n his own.
    As for the new puppy example ... the President should have known his new puppy was too ill to survive and left the bill unsigned.
    He didn't and he has no authority to simply ingore the law's provisions.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course there are differences. It's major legislation...but the core is the same. It has an individual mandate, it include subsidies for individuals at or slightly above the poverty line, and it includes exchanges. So are you saying Republicans are fine with those three things? Those are the only thing I hear criticized from the right.


    I'm not an Obama lackey. I voted for Hillary in the Primary but I preferred him over both McCain and Romney.
    As for the role of Government...government serves the interest of the people. We have different views of the role of government but that is hashed out on voter booths and court rooms. This country would be a wreck if our government looked like the government in 1776.
    You're supposed to make Constitutional changes via Amendments ... not electing an autocrat via the voting booth.
    And ... the major difference between Mass. and the USA should be obvious ...

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    We're not talking aout the usual executive orders.
    That article dealt with interpretation of a law and it's constitutionality. Not a decision to not enforce what is written in a law and choosing who it should affect.
    If that's what you think is in a President's authority then Chris Christie can ****can the whole thing in 2016 n his own.
    Every president in the modern era has used executive orders and if Christie every became President it's a given he would use Executive orders. Some will be controversial and unless it's an obvious breach of authority and challenged in court Dems will grumble like they did under Bush and Reagan and the world will move on. As for a hypothetical Chris Christie getting rid of it...no...he couldn't. It's not unconstitutional and if he delays it too much it will be challenged in courts.

    This is what I don't understand about a lot of Conservative gripes about Obama....everything he does which done by other President always causes griping in the papers and on the record has turned into full fledged treason in your guys mind. Like it's all new and never done before.

    As for the new puppy example ... the President should have known his new puppy was too ill to survive and left the bill unsigned.
    He didn't and he has no authority to simply ingore the law's provisions.
    Once again...he didn't ignore any of the laws provision...he delayed implementation...which has been countless times in the modern era as the Executive branch implements legislation.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    We're not talking aout the usual executive orders.
    That article dealt with interpretation of a law and it's constitutionality. Not a decision to not enforce what is written in a law and choosing who it should affect.
    If that's what you think is in a President's authority then Chris Christie can ****can the whole thing in 2016 n his own.
    As for the new puppy example ... the President should have known his new puppy was too ill to survive and left the bill unsigned.
    He didn't and he has no authority to simply ingore the law's provisions.
    I want to point out...the article dealt with DOMA...I addressed Obamacare provision being delayed. There's no article needed for that...that's run of the mill presidential discretionary authority to carry out legislation
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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