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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Only in the eyes of a Bush apologist......
    To anyone that was working then and now or in most cases, not now

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    The Tea Party is in it's infant stages and like all things they must start at the beginning. Jimmy Carter's presidency, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and a current president with no qualifications are a few of the reasons a new party formed in America and perhaps after the catastrophic government shutdown this week there may be other parties forming. Time will tell.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Not counting the reasons why it seems to be so unpopular...it's going to cost more than what you had; you may not get to keep your doctor; the level of care you receive will be determined by unelected officials in DC, not your doctor; the waits to even see any doctor will increase due to the millions of new people being added to the system, while at the same time we're being warned about the looming shortage of doctors who are leaving the profession because they can't make their office payroll on what they will be paid for their services under the new plan; the exemptions being given to those who have the clout to demand, and receive, same; and on and on...

    it does make people suspicious when they remember that it took threats and bribes to even get it passed by their own party! Naturally it makes people wonder WHY...since it's such a great plan?

    Since miracles do happen,
    maybe it will eventually be reworked enough to make it palatable,
    but how long might that be, and how many angry complaints is it going to take before that happens? I don't know, and neither does anyone else! Odd indeed, considering that we are constantly being told it is the law now, and most of us must comply or be fined!

    Good morning, Bubba.
    Everything you say is so true, Pol ... BUT ... we must remember that creating something that "works" to achieve something we would consider sensible requires a system that achieves a goal that Obamacare was never intended to achieve.
    To put it another way, Obamacare is a vehicle ... not a destination.
    I get a chuckle when folks describe Obama as incompetent.
    He is a very clever bad guy with a whole ton of support in strategic places.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    And ... btw ... sometimes things happen without compromise ... that's how we got Obamacare.
    Do you really think Democrats wanted Obamacare? What do you think health reform would look like if Democrats were able to put in place anything they wanted....
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I thought we were discussing the conflated debt/shutdown event.
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    I was discussing why I dislike the T Party.

    We know the House passed many bills.
    They did
    What was Obama offering as a compromise?
    Nothing. Should he? Should a party that controls the house use a shutdown and debt ceiling in order to overturn major legislation that was passed through our political process? Should of House Dems in 2006 usde a shutdown in order to get out of Iraq? Should of southernors in the House band together in the 60's to overturn the civil rights Act? What kind of government do we have if calamity can be forced on everyone or we have to live by the dictates of one group in one chamber of the House? There are 32 more Republicans then Dems in the house...so you're saying that should be enough to overturn major legislation?

    I hope you don't think Reid was rejecting everything on his own.
    Of course not...all Dems have gotten tired of giving into House Republicans under the threat of shutdown or not raising the debt ceiling.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Do you really think Democrats wanted Obamacare?
    What do you think health reform would look like if Democrats were able to put in place anything they wanted
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    First ... of course they did. They were unchallenged.

    Second ... It will look like what'll be described as the fix for Obamacare.

    As a couple of people you may have heard of have said ... abandon insurance as means of delivering healthcare ... and ... "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program. We may not get there immediately," .

    Can you guess who said those things?

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    First ... of course they did. They were unchallenged.

    Second ... It will look like what'll be described as the fix for Obamacare.

    As a couple of people you may have heard of have said ... abandon insurance as means of delivering healthcare ... and ... "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program. We may not get there immediately," .

    Can you guess who said those things?
    So you're saying the Democrats would prefer a Single Payer system....why on earth do you think they used RomneyCare in Mass or the Heritage individual mandate and exchanges as a model?
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I was discussing why I dislike the T Party.


    They did

    Nothing. Should he? Should a party that controls the house use a shutdown and debt ceiling in order to overturn major legislation that was passed through our political process? Should of House Dems in 2006 usde a shutdown in order to get out of Iraq? Should of southernors in the House band together in the 60's to overturn the civil rights Act? What kind of government do we have if calamity can be forced on everyone or we have to live by the dictates of one group in one chamber of the House? There are 32 more Republicans then Dems in the house...so
    you're saying that should be enough to overturn major legislation
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    Of course not...all Dems have gotten tired of giving into House Republicans under the threat of shutdown or not raising the debt ceiling.
    It was enough to create it and the President changes or ignores major legislation without either of the chambers that created it.
    How does that work for ya?

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    It was enough to create it and the President changes or ignores major legislation without either of the chambers that created it.
    How does that work for ya?
    Not really. Can you be more clear? so you're saying you're fine with just one chamber of the house getting what it wants or threatening pain/ruin for everyone else?
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So you're saying the Democrats would prefer a Single Payer system....why on earth do you think they used RomneyCare in Mass or the Heritage individual mandate and exchanges as a model?
    You oughta read more about Romneycare vs Obamacare. May surprise you.

    And the Democrats most definitely prefer Single Payer.
    I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just an Obama lackey but that you're just, forgive me, horribly misguided about the intended role of Government.

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