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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course everybody adheres to some ideology. Strict adherence to ideology is a completely different ball game. Everybody's goal is to get as much as they can that represents their views. At the same time...there's a
    pragmatic
    recognition that...you don't always get what you want. When those instances happen you to threaten to blow up the government you horse trade. Do you disagree that ANY
    compromise
    by a politician is used by the Tea Party on the right? Even effective politicians on the right are accused of "compromising" with the other side.
    Compromise is a reality in a democratic government.
    Not everybody gets what they want and punishing politicians that do their job which includes compromising creates massive amounts of dysfunction/.
    So what are the answers to the questions about Obama.
    Is he ideologically driven?
    If not ... how would you characterize him?

    Or ... if you prefer to shy away from answering those questions, how about these ...

    In what way was Obama prepared to be pragmatic?
    Willing to compromise such that he wouldn't get his way?
    After all, I heard compromise is a reality in a democratic government.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Good! The Tea Party is just standard deviation away from the truthers, birthers, JFK assassination obsessives, Cleetus from the Simpson, and the crazy militia types that always die while defending their "compound"
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So The Hill just made up the Pew survey?
    Make it up? Of course not.

    Let me ask you this ... suppose Pew polled using questions that asked people if they agreed or disagreed with certain positions of interest to our nation ... and those positions were generally espoused by tea party ... but PEW didn't identify them as such ... what do you think the poll results would show?

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Well...you have to realize, 30% of the polled public still believe that GWB was a good President....so you have to recognize that nearly 1/3 of the public out there are completely whacked out.
    He was better that what we have now.


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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    So what are the answers to the questions about Obama.
    Is he ideologically driven?
    Yes...of course he is...everyone is to some degree.

    In what way was Obama prepared to be pragmatic?
    The "Grand Bargain" is the most obvious. He was asking for a conservative sacred cow (tax increases) so offered a liberal sacred cow (entitlement cuts).

    Willing to compromise such that he wouldn't get his way?
    Compromise is horse trading. Compromise includes you getting things you want...just not everything you want and you have to be willing to trade away things the other guy wants.

    After all, I heard compromise is a reality in a democratic government.
    It is...otherwise nothing happens. If every faction in the country runs around saying "We will never compromise on our core beliefs! Ever! Under no circumstance!" democracy doesn't work.
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yes...of course he is...everyone is to some degree.


    The "Grand Bargain" is the most obvious.
    He was asking for a conservative sacred cow (tax increases) so offered a liberal sacred cow (entitlement cuts).


    Compromise is horse trading. Compromise includes you getting things you want...just not everything you want and you have to be willing to trade away things the other guy wants.


    It is...otherwise nothing happens. If every faction in the country runs around saying "We will never compromise on our core beliefs! Ever! Under no circumstance!" democracy doesn't work.
    I thought we were discussing the conflated debt/shutdown event.
    We know the House passed many bills.
    What was Obama offering as a compromise?
    I hope you don't think Reid was rejecting everything on his own.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yes...of course he is...everyone is to some degree.


    The "Grand Bargain" is the most obvious. He was asking for a conservative sacred cow (tax increases) so offered a liberal sacred cow (entitlement cuts).


    Compromise is horse trading. Compromise includes you getting things you want...just not everything you want and you have to be willing to trade away things the other guy wants.

    It is...otherwise nothing happens
    . If every faction in the country runs around saying "We will never compromise on our core beliefs! Ever! Under no circumstance!" democracy doesn't work.
    And ... btw ... sometimes things happen without compromise ... that's how we got Obamacare.

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    He was better that what we have now.

    Only in the eyes of a Bush apologist......
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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    And ... btw ... sometimes things happen without compromise ... that's how we got Obamacare.
    : Not counting the reasons why it seems to be so unpopular...it's going to cost more than what you had; you may not get to keep your doctor; the level of care you receive will be determined by unelected officials in DC, not your doctor; the waits to even see any doctor will increase due to the millions of new people being added to the system, while at the same time we're being warned about the looming shortage of doctors who are leaving the profession because they can't make their office payroll on what they will be paid for their services under the new plan; the exemptions being given to those who have the clout to demand, and receive, same; and on and on...

    it does make people suspicious when they remember that it took threats and bribes to even get it passed by their own party! Naturally it makes people wonder WHY...since it's such a great plan?

    Since miracles do happen, maybe it will eventually be reworked enough to make it palatable, but how long might that be, and how many angry complaints is it going to take before that happens? I don't know, and neither does anyone else! Odd indeed, considering that we are constantly being told it is the law now, and most of us must comply or be fined!

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    Re: Pew: Tea Party support at record low

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Only in the eyes of a Bush apologist......

    How soon people forget.....

    I have just recently recovered my nest-egg loss from the Bush era. I thought, for a moment there, the GOP/TP politicians were going to come and take it away from me again.

    I swear as soon as I am old enough, I'm pulling it all out and putting it somewhere they cannot get to it!

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